First, of course it can be denied. And second, all you are doing is underlining what an unpleasant creature your particular god is.
No, it doesn’t prove anything at all.
monavis you have set up such a filter you can’t see and can’t understand. You set up straw man arguments saying I know Jesus through men, though I met Jesus, and many more have - your filter just will not allow God coming to people to your loss. Second Yes His kingdom has come with power for millions back then till today, the harvest is ongoing and Jesus’ word is was and will be always true.
Also about those generation, the scriptures also state ‘you diligently study scriptures thinking that is the way to eternal life, but those testify about me’
:rolleyes: No, neither you nor anyone in about the last 2000 years has met Jesus, he’s dust. And no, that’s not a matter of opinion.
Assuming that your claim is that you have actually physically met him, could you please describe him to us? What did he look like? How tall was he? What was his hair color, and did he have a beard?
Details, please.
That’s a great argument for Deism, but Christians are always praying for God to break that restriction, and Jesus himself said, in very clear language, that believers will get ANYTHING they ask for in prayer, and gave explicit examples that violate natural law — killing a fig tree, and throwing a mountain into the sea.
So the “free will” argument is useless for Christians.
What are you basing this on that you who don’t know me are telling me who I met?
Then describe him to us.
Bad news. Jesus just told me that the guy you met was an impostor.
Reality?
It’s pretty clear his motive ‘to discuss and question’ is really to witness. No point witnessing on a religious site.
:rolleyes: You are claiming to have met someone who died thousands of years ago. Therefore you are wrong, because of course someone that old no longer exists. You’ve never met Jesus, or Aristotle, or Hammurabi, or any other multi-millennia dead man. Nor has anyone else.
All of which is blindingly obvious.
the usual answer to the problem of evil is recompense in the afterlife. While humans are preoccupied with perceived “justice” and “injustice” of events observed in human life, God is thought to accomplish ultimate justice through punishment of hell and reward of heaven.
In light of that, the upthread example of the parent deliberately burning a child to make him love him more is inaccurate because “love” is not the main issue in divine judgment. A closer analogy would be doctor performing a painful surgical operation to save the patient from being bed-ridden and in great pain for a long time (analogies of course only go so far - humans sick enough to be in great pain usually don’t survive for a long time).
in the long term the prodigal son has already wasted his inheritance and will not get another one (no Obama to bail out such people back then), hence becoming landless poor and servant of rich people. Presumably he will end up living as a hired worker / poor relation to the older son, which will suit him absolutely right. This whole story of “mercy” means that mercy was shown him in that he was not allowed to starve, not that there will be no consequences to his actions.
This reply would be correct if you speak only for yourself. All is a matter of the depth of understanding of the Word of the Creator.
By the way… being created in the image and likeness of God, we have all his emotions. God is not just a God of Love… such thinking is childish nonsense. But I will give you the key to his performance of all emotions as he uses them… he simply does all in Righteousness.
Tom W.
So by your logic you’d agree there is a measure of childish nonsense in the creator?
The analogy becomes more stretched when one considers that (usually) the sickness and the pain are not caused by the doctor.
Predestination… OK. So Der Trihs was destined to be an atheist, I was destined to be agnostic, these destinies are stamped and sealed and filed in a divine vault, and because of these destinies we’re going to have an unpleasant afterlife.
Der Trihs, I think I’m coming around to your side of the “he’s just plain evil” argument.
Gibberish. Meaningless gibberish.
God as he is portrayed in the Bible and by most believers is a monster.
And doctors aren’t normally omnipotent beings who could just as easily fix it all without pain.
I don’t understand your interpretation, but I do not think you can read my mind. Because I disagree with you and do not see any validation in your interpretation I will do my own thinking. Your God is too cruel and illogical for my taste!
I do not think the scriptures are any more the word of God than any book, some humans stated that,it is your right to believe as you wish, belief is not fact or proof.
To state you met Jesus is not a fact but your belief.
The sad thing about that is the Parent who “could” prevent a child from danger and doesn’t, or didn’t, is child abuse in it’s worse form. A parent who would know all things ahead of time would not let the child have any ailments that he could have prevented in the long run…in such a case as yours, your God is a monster who plays cruel games with his children.