Another Swift Boat Liar for Bush goes down

Just when you think they couldn’t get any more discredited…!

These Swift Boat Liars are getting knocked down and discredited one by one, but the media isn’t picking up on this piecemeal effort. Anyone who still believes these douchebags is either so partisan that they don’t care if these guys are lying, or they’re ignorant of the truth because they haven’t been told and haven’t gone to the trouble of finding out the information for themselves.

It’s a sad state of affairs, when liars can lie through their teeth and the media treats it like truth and makes no correction when one is available. Or twenty. Or fifty.

As someone else said, if Bush said the earth was flat, the headlines would read “Shape of earth - views differ.”

Don’t talk about **Scylla **that way! He my bitch!

Judging by the current GD thread on this topic, looks like you’ll have to fight 'luc for that er…priviledge :dubious:

If there’s one good thing that’s come out of this Swift Bullshitters for Bush nonsense, it’s a perfect opportunity for the blindly zealous resident conservative partisan apologists show their true colors. I’m almost tempted to charge tickets for folks to watch Sam Stone and Scylla contort themselves around the Swifties’ Bushit, except I find the whole spectacle too pathetic to watch.

Equipoise, leaving out 25% of an article and copying the remaining 75% verbatim does not constitute “fair use”.

I don’t care if the article is hidden behind a registration process. If people are genuinely interested, they’ll go through the effort.

Don’t do this again.

Damn! And I was just getting to the good part! “And then she proceeded to…” and wham! down come the wooden jack boots of Coldfire!

Ok, sorry, how about this much? I think it’s well within fair use.

Pfft As if you have dibs on my bitch.

The media aren’t

Jumping blue Christ on a crutch, I can’t WAIT until Nov. 3rd.

I don’t give a flying, flaming fuck through a rolling donut who wins the election, I’m just sick to death of fucking Vietnam stories, already.

He served, he didn’t serve, who the fuck cares? Just one of you idiots (kerry or bush) tell me…

  1. How much money of mine do I get to keep?
  2. How much will my health care costs go up?
  3. Will I still have a job?
  4. Will we, as Americans be safer?
  5. When I retire, will there be social security?

That’s it. I don’t care if you shot water buffalo in rice paddies, or drank your way through west texas during the Vietnam war, that shit doesn’t matter to me in the least.

God damn elections.

And what were YOU doing during the war?

Doing what many others were doing during the war. Shitting my pants, or more correctly, diapers.

Give it up, my dumpling; it’s a lost cause. As are “data” and “criteria”. I have yet to see, in my proofreading labors, those pseudo-singulars pluralized with an -s, but it’s merely a matter of time.

But it does matter, buttonjocky. We are given a choice between a bunch of people who see their duty to the country as avoiding personal inconvenience and paying as few taxes as possible while fully enjoying and maximizing the multitude of personal benefits that can be bestowed by the federal government – sort of an every man for himself and the devil take the hind most approach to governance- and a bunch that at least accepted the risk of service when service was called for and who see the government as having a duty to do something to assist and protect the hind most. Do we really want a government that advances under a banner emblazoned with the device “I’ve got mine, Jack, screw you,” a government whose policy is consistently to comfort the comfortable and afflict the afflicted? The contrast between the President’s military service when his service was called for and the Senator’s is only one point but a telling point –shot up water buffalo or no shot up water buffalo.

I’m not sure it makes a lot of sense to direct the bolded points to a person who lists his priorities thus:

  1. How much money of mine do I get to keep?
  2. How much will my health care costs go up?
  3. Will I still have a job?
  4. Will we, as Americans be safer?
  5. When I retire, will there be social security?

Hint: if you quit whining about #1, #2 - #5 will have much better answers.

What buttonjockey308 said.

The whole twelve years? :smiley:

Y’know, if I really gave a shit about the issue, I’d do some searching circa the fall of 2000 to see how many lefty-loosies claimed that Vietnam service had nothing to do with being a president, and how many tightie-righties claimed that what one did during the Vietnam era was a character test.

But I don’t.

What i do care about are the large number of people on both sides of the aisle who start thread after thread after thread based on 30-year old propaganda. Why the hell do we think it’s so important? Whether or not someone threw their medals…oops, someone else’s medals…oops, their ribbons, yeah, that’s it…over the White House fence really, truly, should be the least of it. Yet people are parsing each and every line on each and every military record as if it’s the secret to life itself. We have some serious issues to solve in this country, but this sure as hell isn’t one of them.

For a long time there, this was all Kerry was talking about. Then Bush defined Kerry as a flip-flopper, and that’s the last you’ll hear of the issues.

First, you probably shouldn’t generalize like that. You’re saying ‘bunch of people’ but mean ‘Bush’, because I’m sure you aren’t trying to minimize the service of any American soldier, no matter his or her political leanings.

Second, and again with the generalizations, you’re saying ‘bunch of people’ but mean ‘Kerry’ , because the last guy in office, from Kerry’s party didn’t serve at all, in fact, if some reports are to be believed, he ran away from vietnam, with his tail between his legs, and yet managed to be a decent president irrespective of his service.

What I want from a Government, Gelding, is freedom. I want to pay my taxes, and have available services that are both necessary, and luxuries.

I want to be able to choose what I do with my free time, and who I do it with.

I want to abide by the Constitution of The United States, and I want the Government to do the same.

I want the government to empower EVERYONE equally, and once the empowerment is in place, then yes, everyone is on their own. You can teach a man to fish, but if you’ve got to keep fishing for him AFTER you’ve taught him, then you will have less fish for yourself, and man, that’s just not right.

Of course, there are times when free aid is necessary, and social programs are the crux of a compassionate society, but generations of freeloaders who are able but refuse to work? Nothing could be more wrong headed.

I’ve got news for you, every government since there have been governments has comforted the comfortable and afflicted the afflicted. The little guy gets the shaft every time he turns around, and the whole idea of whether or not some rich guy served in Vietnam is utterly fucking meaningless.

Just stop a cab driver, or ask the guy at the deli, or the small business owner, what he thinks about Kerry’s swift boatin buddies, or Bush playing hide and go drink with the phantom jets. Know what he’s gonna tell you? He’ll say, ‘Who gives a damn’? How does either one of them affect MY pocket? Who’s got their hands in MY wallet? How am I gonna put food on MY table, and in the mouths of MY kids? How am I going to retire? How are YOU going to make ME, and MY family safer with the taxes I already pay?

That’s the real issue, not the war in Vietnam, why? Because Vietnam is FUCKING OVER. It’s been over for 30 years, and I can’t think of a single reason to keep it alive, except for its’ lessons in warfare.

Oh, and…

AMEN Chique.

and three orange Nope, just the last two :wink: