Anti-SSM argument goes from stupid to... what the heck is this?

Like a judge? RIGHT!!!

I have no idea what your post is even attempting to say, it is that incoherent.

Or like the majority of Americans?

Well, I married for other reasons, too. I married because my husband is my best friend and the love of my life and I want to make sure that he and I can support each other legally and financially as well as in other ways. I also married him to make a statement to my family and friends, whom I love, and to other members of my family, who are intolerant assholes, and to society at large, which contains the whole range of people, that my husband and I are a family. A household and a social unit of which neither member is superior, but which functions together as a little mini-team against the vagaries of an uncaring universe.

When we met, our only option was to be a household of two unrelated adults with sexual privileges that polite society wouldn’t refer to. Not to mention what it was like growing up in the 70s and 80s, or what it was like in the decades and centuries before that. Good thing I live in a civilized country where the likes of you don’t make policy anymore.

So, just recently I said this:

And Melchior said:

And now he turns around and says

But not because some thugs come around and demand it! To equate natural linguistic change with what is going on wrt SSM is quite disingenuous.

Nope.

And a large, and daily growing, majority of people wish to let them.

Are you a man? If so, this is not a ‘marriage’, only a ‘cargo-cult’ marriage.

Baffling you is an ancient custom.

Why am I not surprised that you don’t understand?

I thought it was brilliant, jsgoddess. I finally get his point about the importance of basing laws on traditions. Forget about “won’t someone think of the children,” the real question is, “won’t someone think of the deceased/mummies/zombies??”

You win an internet.

I am. I take it that by “cargo-cult” you mean that it has the appearance of a marriage, but is not a marriage.

support

We two who are in it think it is a marriage.
Our government, at every level all the way to the mother-fucking* Queen, think it is a marriage.
The majority of our fellow citizens think it is a marriage.
It has been the law of the land here for 10 years, six percent of our country’s history, and is now an established part of the traditional institution of marriage.

opposition

Melchior does not think it is a marriage.

My side wins.


*not literally—even we draw the line at incestuous necrophilia, even if it is gay

<shrug> Change is change, however it comes about. Everyone (even you) now knows what “same sex marriage” refers to. Quibbling over an extreme prescriptivist definition is pointless.

Do you get similarly worked up over other linguistic shifts? “Nooooo! You can’t call that a ‘cell phone’! ‘Telephone’ comes from the Greek roots for ‘far’ and ‘sound’. But you’re texting on that device! You’re not sending sound far away at all! So it CAN’T be a ‘cell phone’! RAR!”

Yep. You are factually incorrect.

Just curious, how old are you Melchior?

40,000? :smiley:

Weird, one upper case letter after a number was rendered lowercase instead of a smiley.

I think that’s called an “appeal to formatting” fallacy. Everyone should disregard your post.

I find this quote from Thomas Jefferson to be appropriate. Not to say that he would have agreed with SSM, but it’s still a great one.

The living generation is saying that SSM is equal to OSM.

I do not (cannot, really) believe in the sincerity of **Melchior’s **posting on this subject.

The original subject of the OP has gotten rather lost. Of course, there really is no answer, the anti-SSM arguments have devolved into “whatever might have even a tiny chance of persuading somebody somewhere” without any regard to either logic or common sense.

In that sense, Melchior is a perfect representative of that side of the aisle.