Anti-SSM argument goes from stupid to... what the heck is this?

[wonky]

@Skywatcher

40,000?

Do I still have to fuck 'em all? What have I DONE?

[Antinor01]

@jsgoddess

Do I still have to fuck 'em all? What have I DONE?

you take 10k-15k and I’ll handle the rest.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

@Melchior

They are asking to participate in something that is old.

Are you under the impression they want to participate because it’s old?

[Dangerosa]

@Roderick_Femm

I do not (cannot, really) believe in the sincerity of **Melchior’s **posting on this subject.

The original subject of the OP has gotten rather lost. Of course, there really is no answer, the anti-SSM arguments have devolved into “whatever might have even a tiny chance of persuading somebody somewhere” without any regard to either logic or common sense.

In that sense, Melchior is a perfect representative of that side of the aisle.

It isn’t hard to feel a little sorry for them. It wasn’t that long ago that their position may not have made logical sense - but most people readily agreed it made emotional sense. Even some gay rights advocated didn’t want to press for marriage due to the definition issue that Melichor is advocating - they didn’t think they’d win and were willing to settle for civil unions or domestic partnerships. The change has really happened very quickly, and its no wonder they are left with “but, but, but…” as an argument.

I still remember the conversation I had where I was won over to the idea of “gay marriage” - and it would have been about 20 years ago. And I’m fairly liberal and had financed a GLBT film festival so it wasn’t like I was blind to the issues or homophobic.

[Gedd]

@running_coach

Hitler.

Way to Godwinize the thread on page . . . 6?

Wow, how did we make it that far?

[Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge]

Melchior is most likely an older white male who can’t deal with the changing word around him. They will be gone soon enough.

[Melchior]

@Roderick_Femm

I do not (cannot, really) believe in the sincerity of **Melchior’s **posting on this subject.

I am quite sincere.

[Melchior]

@TroutMan

Why am I not surprised that you don’t understand?

I thought it was brilliant, jsgoddess. I finally get his point about the importance of basing laws on traditions. Forget about “won’t someone think of the children,” the real question is, “won’t someone think of the deceased/mummies/zombies??”

I note in all of these posts a lack of argumentation. It’s just ‘we are winning can’t you see that and stop trying to dissuade us’?

[Melchior]

@Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge

Melchior is most likely an older white male who can’t deal with the changing word around him. They will be gone soon enough.

Fallacy of ‘they won’t be able to argue when they are dead’.

Again, this is not an argument.

[Marley23]

@Melchior

Fallacy of ‘they won’t be able to argue when they are dead’.

Again, this is not an argument.

It’s true, though. I mean, if they can’t come up with a half-decent argument when they’re alive…

[Melchior]

@Dangerosa

It isn’t hard to feel a little sorry for them. It wasn’t that long ago that their position may not have made logical sense - but most people readily agreed it made emotional sense. Even some gay rights advocated didn’t want to press for marriage due to the definition issue that Melichor is advocating - they didn’t think they’d win and were willing to settle for civil unions or domestic partnerships. The change has really happened very quickly, and its no wonder they are left with “but, but, but…” as an argument.

I still remember the conversation I had where I was won over to the idea of “gay marriage” - and it would have been about 20 years ago. And I’m fairly liberal and had financed a GLBT film festival so it wasn’t like I was blind to the issues or homophobic.

Again, this is not an argument. Give me an argument.

[Procrustus]

@Melchior

I am quite sincere.

Mores’s the pity

[Munch]

@Thomas Jefferson

usufruct

Cool word.

[Melchior]

@Marley23

It’s true, though. I mean, if they can’t come up with a half-decent argument when they’re alive…

Not an argument. Give me an argument.

Most ‘liberal’ positions appeal to emotions or political correctness, or attempt to shame the holder of opposing views.

[Melchior]

@Procrustus

Mores’s the pity

Not an argument. Give me an argument.

[Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge]

@Melchior

Fallacy of ‘they won’t be able to argue when they are dead’.

Again, this is not an argument.

Not really a fallacy. You can’t spew your asinine BS when you are dead.

[Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge]

@Melchior

Not an argument. Give me an argument.

Most ‘liberal’ positions appeal to emotions or political correctness, or attempt to shame the holder of opposing views.

You’ve shamed yourself well enough on your own.

[Melchior]

@Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge

You’ve shamed yourself well enough on your own.

Not an argument. Give me an argument.

[Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge]

@Melchior

Not an argument. Give me an argument.

Just because you say it’s not an “argument” doesn’t make it so.

[The_Hamster_King]

@Melchior

Not an argument. Give me an argument.

The meaning of a word is determined by usage. Everyone (even the minorityof people opposed to gay marriage) understands what is meant by the phrase “gay marriage”. Argue all you want about the private meaning that you’ve constructed for the word “marriage”, but you don’t get to impose it on the rest of us.

I don’t know why you’re so strongly married to the idea that you do.