That’s not an argument.
It wasn’t supposed to be an argument. You aren’t worth arguing with.
I have a sneaking suspicion that you have redefined “demolished” to meet your specific needs as you are clearly accustomed to doing at will with any word when you find it convenient.
Lawyer-client
Customer-sales rep
Friend-friend
Enemy-enemy
Man-his dog
Man-his car
Well, when one of the said: “At first I was pissed, but then I realized that you had worked much harder on it than I did…”
He wrote an article claiming that certain older translations were wrong. I showed that they were right, and why.
I read this post and, at first, thought it was mockery written by someone else, parodying your views. In that context, it’s quite funny.
Poe’s Law or something.
I am referring to *legal *relationships.
That’s spelled GEDs.
Like the legal relationship that people in same sex marriages have in over a dozen states in the US, plus numerous other countries. Go on with your point.
Funny that you left out:
Brother-brother
Sister-sister
Friend-friend
So why not:
Husband-husband
Wife-wife
Not to mention:
Top-bottom
I have a question for Melchior.
Imagine, for the sake of argument, that we grant your definition of marriage.
Imagine too that we create a whole new contractual agreement that’s significantly similar to marriage except it’s open to opposite-sex couples and same-sex couples.
So it has the same age requirements as marriage. And it has the same ramifications for inheritance as marriage. It has the same effects as marriage when it comes to testifying in court – or adopting kids, or filing taxes, or making medical decisions, or getting a break on tuition – because, in all ways but one, it’s identical to marriage.
If we give that arrangement some just-now-made-up name, would you be cool with it? And if we instead called it “marriage”, would you cry foul?
Is that the entirety of your objection?
And where was it that you learned to state that your ideological opponents don’t actually believe what they say they believe? Do they teach that now in philosophy class?
LOL (lawyer-client is not a legal relationship now?). But this is progress, for you, because in many states (due to things like popular referenda), same sex couples now absolutely are legal relationships.
Yes, it is the entirety of my objection. You could create something new (or perhaps just use adoption or Power of Attorney or a business partnership contract) that would take care of many of the wants. But it is not and cannot be ‘marriage’.
Ooh ooh – let’s play a game! What twisted etymological argument will Melchior come up with next? The latest is this legal relationship nonsense, but I predict that he will quickly drop this ridiculous line of argument very quickly since it’s so obvious that same-sex marriages actually are legal relationships in many states.
Next, I predict he will Gish Gallop back to one of his previous failed arguments - like the ‘words can’t change meaning’ nonsense.
Unless, of course, the definition of the word changes.
Oh, right – it’s already changing, based on people’s use of the word. So it is and can be marriage.
No, again you confuse agitprop with semantic development.
No, it’s actually semantic development. I know you don’t want to accept it, but the English-speaking world really is changing the use of the word “marriage” such that it can include same-sex couples.
From Webster’s Third New International dictionary:
Main Entry:mat£ri£mo£ny
Pronunciation:ma.tr**mn*, -ni, chiefly Brit -rmn-
Function:noun
Inflected Form:-es
Etymology:Middle English matrimony, matrimoigne, from Middle French matremoine, matremoigne, from Latin matrimonium, from matr-, mater mother * more at MOTHER
1 a : the union of man and woman as husband and wife : married state : married life : MARRIAGE b : this union entered into by baptized persons and so viewed by several large Christian churches as constituting one of the sacraments
2 a : a card game played with a layout in which certain combinations of cards occur on which bets are placed b : a combination of a king and queen in this game
Main Entry:mar£riage
Pronunciation:marij, -rj also *mer-
Function:noun
Inflected Form:-s
Etymology:Middle English mariage, from Middle French, from marier to marry + -age * more at MARRY
1 a : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife b : the mutual relation of husband and wife : WEDLOCK c : the institution whereby men and women are joined in a special kind of social and legal dependence for the purpose of founding and maintaining a family — see MONOGAMY, POLYGAMY
2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected : WEDDING; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities — compare BEENA MARRIAGE, COEMPTIO, CONFARREATION, LEVIRATE
3 : an intimate or close union
4 : MARITAGE
5 : the combination of a king and queen of the same suit (as in pinochle) — see ROYAL MARRIAGE
By the way – my prediction in post #475 was shown to be true in just 2 posts!