Melchior, is your only argument against SSM that it is a change from 100 years ago (or, uh, 40,000 years ago)? If you have other logical reasons to be opposed, what are they? Note that no one is suggesting you must enter a same-sex marriage, so your personal squeamishness about it isn’t really relevant. How will your life (and your marriage, presuming you are married yourself) be negatively affected if other same-sex couples are allowed to marry?
Who or what is being tribal?
Which part?
False and deliberately so. It is not a ‘moral’ issue, and it has nothing to do with ‘malice’.
You are using the word ‘gender’ incorrectly (‘sex’ is the correct word), and marriage is not about ‘romantic bonds’. Historically, marriage was for property and inheritance and preserving lineages.
Oh? Don’t dogs have rights? Ask the animal rights activists, your kind of people.
So? The point is that it is ***nothing but a custom ***to forbid murder.
“It” hasn’t changed at all. You are confusing judicial activism and lawsuits with changes in customs.
Are you seriously arguing that customs for marriage have never changed?
No, the point is that it is lunacy (to use your words) to suggest that custom alone is a good reason for laws. There has to be some underlying purpose served by the law. This purpose is very clear for murder. I’m waiting to hear your underlying purpose for banning SSM.
It will probably boil down to “It’s icky.”
We are talking about the last few years here. Besides, there are numerous laws governing marriage and divorce that rest on no different foundation: laws regarding adultery, bigamy, etc. have no firmer foundation than custom. Can I not claim that it is unfair to forbid me from marrying someone simply because she is married to someone else?
It is only about malice. It’s not even profitable.
It’s about romance now. You are just demonstrating that marriage does indeed change, a lot.
Children have rights to; that doesn’t mean they can vote or get married. And it’s amusing that you compare me to animal rights activists like that’s an insult; do you literally support kicking puppies or something?
No, it’s obvious enlightened self interest. People support murder being illegal because they don’t want to be murdered.
It isn’t marriage at all. It doesn’t need to be ‘banned’ because it’s impossible, just as a square circle is impossible, by definition. It’s a joke. And don’t tell me you can redefine ‘square’ and ‘circle’!
Thank you. It definitely helps to understand the depth of your argument.
Speaking of circles…
You can claim anything you like. If you convince a majority, then perhaps things will change.
A majority has been convinced on same-sex marriage. It’s happening, and the numbers are just getting bigger and bigger – soon it won’t just be a majority, it will be an overwhelming majority.
You’re free to sit in your house and whine “but that’s not real marriage!”, but most Americans will just ignore you and continue to get married and celebrate the marriages of their friends and families, and won’t give two shits what Melchior thinks about their marriage.
You are confusing the *reasons *for marriage with the *nature *of marriage. Fallacy!
That’s a silly argument. A marriage is a legal contract, and is therefore what the government chooses to label marriage.
Argumentum ad populum…fallacy.
I’m not sure what they’re saying either. I can see two possibilities.
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Children of opposite sex couples will be discriminated against because they aren’t able to be raised by a same sex couple.
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Children of opposite sex couples haven’t had the option of being raised by same sex couples, so many of them will decide to (how doesn’t seem answered) trade in their straight parents for gay ones. and ANARCHY or some such!
I didn’t say it made sense!
And the argument comes full circle back to stupid.
ETA: That was in reply to Melchior’s “argument,” not Antinor01’s!
I would marry a dog, but not a gay one.
It’s not a fallacy if marriage is as you claim just a matter of custom. You can’t have it both ways.
And as a practical matter, so long as your side loses the people getting married won’t care, they’ll just be enjoying their marriage.