So you are making the claim that the part of the national electorate that is demonstrably more likely to vote for creating a social net to keep those most negatively impacted by change in economic circumstance from falling through the cracks, are the least tolerant?
That’s so nuanced, I think I need you elaborate further.
And liberals feel the same way towards conservatives. It’s natural to feel that the people who don’t share your views are “intolerant.”
Negotiating trade deals with less focus on diplomatic relations and more focus on the economic impacts of the trade deal.
That’s the main thing AFAICT.
Some people agree with the notion that we should focus on our domestic issues and economy before we waste more money on foreign policy. That we should withdraw from the world stage a bit.
Some agree that we should be more neutral on Israel.
As far as Republicans go, he is relatively moderate if you ignore the rhetoric.
He is the most pro-choice Republican candidate we had in my lifetime.
He is most pro-affirmative action Republican candidate in my lifetime.
He is most pro-gay rights Republican candidate in my lifetime.
Pro-campaign finance reform.
He is the most pro-legalization (marijuana) Republican candidate we have had in my lifetime.
Pro-nuclear power.
If he wasn’t so unqualified, if he had better control over his mouth, and if he didn’t so blatantly pander to the lowest common denominator of the Republican party, I could make an argument for Trump.
For all of those who think that PPP poll is worth more of our time, here is a Slate article written about that precise poll.
Some of the highlights:
in much the same way that you don’t think its bigoted to hate white supremacists, Oakland fans deserve the scorn while the racial and religious minorities do not. I can think of plenty of guys that put their sports team ahead of religion.
Because every four years, the Republican candidate (whoever that happens to be) is the worst person in the world. Noone in their right mind could ever support the Republican candidate (whoever that happens to be).
I know some conservatives that feel similarly about the Democratic candidate.
Yeah, but … she’s the DEVIL!!! :rolleyes:
Honestly I am trying to figure out how Trump is worse for females or gays than establishment Repu8blicans would be.
Frankly, I doubt Trump would be much worse for Hispanics or muslims than most of the establishment candidates.
Which of the Republican establishment candidates have a platform that includes building a wall with Mexico, deporting 11 million illegal immigrants and banning all muslims from entry?
You wouldn’t have to - he’d’ve pushed out of the primary race back in March.
I am referencing two things. The Regan Democrat point, that I think is in play this election cycle. The other point is the long, long time period of very low work force participation. It is at historic lows.
I know people in both groups. They want opportunity and don’t see it coming soon.
I will offer that both sides see intolerance where it does not exist.
Any liberal or progressive worth his salt will be sure to call anyone to the right of the political center a racist and bigot. That most certainly is not true. Are there a few wing nuts out there who are? Of course. Are they all. Hell no and far from it.
The opposite from a conservative point of view is also true. Not all progressives and liberals are flag burning, Christian hating bigots. Are their a few left wing wing nuts, sure. Are all progressives and libs that way. No.
Unfortunate the political discourse is this way.
You are correct-The first statement is most certainly not true. Let me guess-You are another one of those that think they can justify specific crap done by one side by claiming an equal amount of unspecified crap is done by the other side, like there is this “Universal Political Equality Law” that forces one side to be just as bad as the other. Fuck that.
If you’ve got specific examples of equal strength to counter with, then bring them on. In the meantime I’m not buying this “fence-sitting” act that’s used to justify crap.
I have little empathy or respect for those less fortunate?
Huh?
If these less fortunate types are Trump supporters then I have no reason to provide empathy.
And saying that most intolerant people you know are overbearing liberals and progressives both in real life and here online has immediately reduced your credibility to zero - typical partisan potshot (yawn), where obviously the inverse can be stated, and with more credibility.
Your words not mine.
Who gives a fuck if millions are out of work and not even counted in the unemployment numbers anymore? Cleary not you.
Spoken as a true progressive.
If one is a xenophobic, ignorant, homophobic piece of shit (ie Trump supporter), rich or poor, then I have time for neither.
yeah and like you honestly give a fuck about it.
Then this “selective empathy” is no different than the empathy shown by the people you call bigoted. Hey, they’re perfectly empathetic… as long as they like your political views.
In the same way that he hasn’t lived your life or had your personal interactions, you haven’t lived his life or had his personal interactions. His experience is no more or less personally valid than yours.
You may never have met a nice Pakistani person in your life. I may never have met an unfriendly Pakistani person in my life. Our experiences do not cancel each other out.
But if their political views are so abysmally fucking retrograde, how can you expect me to show empathy?
I don’t recall making any observations of his experiences, just what he said.
great - gotta go to work now 
But you did make observations about his experience.
You haven’t lived his life or had his personal interactions. How do you know he’s not being truthful about his experience?
Again, demonstrably wrong conclusion. Historically, progressives have been the ones on the side of improving social safety nets for the disadvantaged in society, regardless of political affiliation. Conservatives have traditionally been less so.