Anyone actually pay for Internet porn?

I’ve never paid for internet porn either, but if I were to do it, abby’s site would be at the top of the list. Natural is always better than glam, imo.

I wonder if she knows she has such a fan club here.

Yes. We get around 150 joins a day, employ ten people full time, and do around 10 shoots of a week. We have 10’s of thousands of paying members. It’s a healthy business - we’re successful. We’re not unique in this regard - plenty of people are prepared to pay for porn, so long as it’s good and delivered in a useful way. I’m gonna talk about this more, below.

There are plenty of dodgy sites out there that give us all a bad name, and these are very frustrating for us.

This is not necessary - Mastercard and Visa have designed their systems with the customer (ie, you)in mind. Any bill on your credit card statement can be queried and cancelled if you say it was not you who made the charge. You’ll get a refund.

You bank will contact the merchant’s bank, who will ask the merchant for proof of purchase - the customer’s signature. Being a web transaction, of course, the merchant has no signature, so they are SOL. They are debited the transaction fee, and fined for being so silly.

So as a customer, you’re safe. Just tell your bank you never made the charge.

Of course, this is awful for merchants (cos people can rip you off, even if they DID join the site, and downloaded 50Gb of content, they can get a refund), but we factor it in to our prices. There’s a new system coming out, where people have PINs on their credit cards (secureCode for Mastercards, and Verified By Visa for Visa), any transaction done on that card is for the cardholder, and there’s no way of gettong out of it. Bring it on, I say!

:slight_smile: Yes, this sort of attitude (Lobsang) is what a lot of our customers are like, I assume. It’s easy to get stuff of a known quantity if you pay for it. On news, P2P, or TGPs, there is a huge variation of quality, and nothing is guarenteed to work. You may or may not get a complete series of images, or an entire video.

Of course, if you pay for a service, you’re going to get better service - faster servers to download from, an archive, re-download stuff you lost that you liked, search based on certain parameters, and so on. And, there’s no advertising (like, popups or banners) on decent pay sites.

Most reputable sites will have a “title 18 statement”, meaning they have assured that all models were over 18 at the time of photographing, and they have a release form signed by the model. That means there’s less risk of downloading material that you really don’t want to have on your computer.

Also, we provide support to ensure stuff is working, and members have a say in how and what we shoot. We also have a lively community of members - kimda similar to IMHO here on the SDMB. Obviously, noe one is going to pay $30/month for that, but it’s a nice addition (along with other things we do), kinda of a sweetener, ya know?

Also, most of the stuff on TGP’s is of significantly lower quality (to save on bandwidth) than stuff you pay for.

For plenty of people, that’s just fine. Others like the good stuff.

Yes, a common problem. We make it pretty clear that you need to cancel rebills before you’re due to be billed, and most billing companies require you make this clear. Many people do not read this (it’s not even fine print), cos they’re keen to see the pink or whatever.

Your friend could email the site and ask for a refund (he may get one), or complain to his bank and get a refund (he will def get one). Or, he could just pay more attention to the terms and conditions when he signs.

Or, never join a site again cos of one bad operator, or his own mistake. :confused:

See, now, that pisses me off. That site regularly rips off material from my site and hundreds of others, removes the copyright notice, then sells access to that material (then says “aw, gee, sorry, I thought it was publiuc domain!” when owners complain). Grrr.

I doubt any site would do that, tho we do post some material to appropriate groups on usenet for promo.

Yah, unfortunately, there are some unscroupulous operators out there, but less than there were. Spam’s a way of life tho, and while a lot of it is adult in nature, it’s not fair to blame it all on that industry. Oroniucally, I seem to get very little adult spam, and my emaila ddress is logical from the name of my site (and, I can’t really change it!).

It’s interesting to see people esposuing the virtues of a large online billing company here on this thread - we ditched them a few years back when it became known that they were selling email addresses to spammers; you can imagine how valuable a list of people who were known to have bought adult material online would be, right? (actually, in their defense, apparently, it was an employee who got the addresses and sold them to someone else, not done as company policy).

The best solution is to make an address just for that site, so you can work out who’s spamming you, then take them to task for it.

Well, the thing is, people are willing to pay for what they like, if it’s delivered in a convenient way. A good analogy is magazines. Pretty much any mag you can imagine, there is similar content available online that you can print out a lot cheaper than you could by the mag for (and arguably better articles that are more in depth (or brief) than the mag has).

But you pay the mag to be your “editor”, to spend the time finding these articles and preparing them for you in an easy to consume package.

Most subscription sites are like this - you’re assured of a consistant quality and quantity of material (assuming you find a site that suits you).

I always thought that no-nude sites were always of underage models, but I guess not…

CCBill are fine, but they are not the only company that provides reputable billing services. I think a better way to judge this, is to send the website operator an email with an innocuous question (mention that you’re considering joining), and see how long it takes them to write back.

Anyone who does not write back to a come-on like that, no way in hell are they going to honour a rebills cancellation, IMO.

And remember, your credit card protects you from bad operators.

All review sites are paid by the site operators for each join the review site send to them, so take the reviews with a grain of salt - they do not emphasise the negatives, but they can be useful to get a feel for the site. And, take the tour of the site, see what they are offering.

And most of all, don’t ever assume a site will have what you want inside, if they do not advertise the fact they have it.

It REALLY pisses me off when ppl buy a sub to my site, then complain that none of my models have high heels on (when in fact, we’re actively anti-heels, and NONE of our sample pics have models in heels), or whatever.
Thanks everyone for the kind words. I wish I could put my URL in here, but I don’t want to go pissing people off. Maybe do a search for my name, Ms Winters? :wink:

abby

If it weren’t for The Naked News, how would I know what’s going on in the world? :confused:

Abby I’ve seen and been to your site, I find it quite enjoyable, although porn isn’t in my monthly budget, if I were to find the money, yours would be one I’d join, no question. :smiley:

Still, I find that I’m easily satisfied with P2P and TGP’s, I’m not obsessed with video display quality mainly because most filth purveyors aren’t interested in video CONTENT quality. A lot of it is really marginal. I suspect that if someone came along with a large pocketbook and the right creative vision, that the porn heyday of the 70’s would find itself in a renaissance period. Alas, I don’t think we’re bound for that.

Anyway, re the OP, no, I don’t.

Cast away your nostaglic memories of '70s porn — looked at again today, it wasn’t very good, except maybe if you’re into retro schlock. Back then, just the novelty of having hard-core porn made you overlook that many of the performers weren’t that attractive, and certainly couldn’t act. It must have been harder to find porn actors in those days.