Anyone ever known the perpetrator of a really horrific crime?

My ex-brother-in-law did a few years in a California prison for killing a guy in a bar fight.

My seventh grade science teacher was convicted of molesting several young boys, although I cannot recall if he actually did any time or not.

My great-uncle was accused of molesting a couple of kids in his neighborhood, but he never went to trial because both kids recanted their statements just before the trial was set to start. Sad part is that he probably was guilty because at least two of my male relatives have since confessed to being his victims, but those happened 30+ years ago and the statute of limitations ran out a long time ago.

i lived in pensacola my entire life aside from college until two weeks ago, and i never knew that woman was from my home town. granted, i was only three when the poop all went down, but things like sharing a town with a serial killer tend to get mentioned from time to time… as for my own stories…
a guy i went to college with and who’s actually a fraternity brother… well, he hasn’t done anything heinous that i know of, but i totally expect him to snap at any moment. the kid’s a drunk; takes after his father in that regards. he really started going downhill after his parents got divorced… i suspect that his father beat him when he was younger. hell, i know of one incident for sure. but he’s been in a lot of trouble with the law over the years, and tends to beat his girlfriends, which i understand he also picked up from dad. another friend of ours, brad, was really close to chris’s girlfriend. there was no fooling around, although a lot of people, chris included thought there was. oh, did i mention he’s a gun nut? he gave me a ride from somewhere back home once, and mentioned offhandedly that there was a .357 under the passenger’s seat. i reached down, and sure enough… he said it was loaded, too. never looked at him the same after that. so anyway, he basically threatened to put a hole in brad’s head if he ever found out he was messing around with his girlfriend. i graduated and haven’t heard any news, but the guy’s a ticking bonb.

a much less interesting story, but there’s serious crime involved here… a girl that i dated earlier this summer had a pretty screwed up childhood… her father was a hell’s angel, and was apparently had killed some people in defense of the gang. i saw a documentary about them once, and there’s a name for them… some number, like a percentage of the guys that have done that…

when i was really young, actually i’m not sure if i’d even been born yet, a neighbor behind us was raped in her own home… iirc, some guy came to the door asking to use the phone, she lets him in, and gets violated. not sure if they ever caught the guy.

a guy i went to high school with i heard shot someone in the head. don’t know how much truth there is to it; only heard it once and never saw or read anything else about it.

another guy i grew up with, and actually was in cub scouts with, and another girl i knew got arrested a few years ago on multiple drug charges… possession, cultivation, intent to distribute, etc. etc. wow, i didn’t think this would be so long, but i keep thinking of more things.

ah, last one… a friend of my father’s, a guy i’d known all my life and really liked was recently convicted of molestation or some such thing. don’t recall the exact charge. he was the principal of a very popular private elementary and i think middle school in the area, and was accused by a student. there may have been more than one. my father and a lot of his friends and a lot of people in general thought at first that the girl was making it up, and a lot of people still do. my dad even wrote a letter to the judge in his defense. he was in the end convicted, and it really looks like he might have done it. it’s just so hard to believe, he was such a nice guy. i don’t know what i think about the whole thing, but i don’t want to believe it.

I used to work in a Repertory Theatre, and there was this young guy who worked in the local Operatic, so though I never knew him, I know lots and lots of people who do.

About six years ago, he came home from his paper route to find his whole family dead. Mother, Father, two sisters, and a brother. It appeared to be a murder-suicide by the Father.

However, further investigation discovered some things that didn’t add up. And basically, the surviving guy was tried and convicted of the multiple murders of his family.

I was at the court case for a few days, being a Court Artist for local TV news, so I got to hear his testimony on the stand. And even though he still denies it, I’m telling you - he definitely did it. I’m certain of it.
Another young kid who I was in a play with raped an 11 year old girl in a Gym. He was 16. He came from a totally fucked-up family, abusive and poor and generally verrrrry strange, so in a sense it’s no surprise. But wow.

but i just wanted to share some things i found while playing around with the list of sexual offenders in florida. just for kicks, i put in pensacola, and 322 names pop up. i scrolled through the entire list. here’s what i found.
a guy i went to middle school with(actually i already knew this, but was reminded when i saw his name)
a guy that, while i don’t know him, probably went to high school with me
two people with different names living at the same address… well, one was like lot 12 and the other was lot 25 or something, whatever that means
two people with the same last name that lived across the street from each other
a guy who bears a strong resemblance and shares the last name with my former clarinet teacher(definitely not the same guy, but maybe brothers or something)
the guy who i mentioned earlier… i didn’t like seeing his picture with the words sexual offender written above it
a guy younger than me(i’m 22) labeled as a sexual predator (only about a dozen or so people were listed as such; this guy had about 6 counts or so)
a guy that lives on a street that i think is kind of in my neighborhood
and most chillingly, the guy that we used to live across the street from. my parents still live right around the corner. i knew him, but never really talked to him all that much. don’t recall ever having been in the house, although i guess i may have at some point. his daughter used to babysit for my sister and i pretty often, and his son did at least once too, that i recall. there was only one charge listed, and it was about a year ago, but i still can’t help but wonder if there’s some old memory that i’ve blocked out of my mind or something. i’m not saying i was a victim. probably just due to reading this thread and then going through 33 pages of sex offenders that live in my city. a scary thought, nonetheless.

Well, I have a relative who was convicted of arson. Is destruction of property a “heinous” crime? :slight_smile:

My relative’s next door neighbor had died, and the neighbor’s son inherited the house. The son didn’t use the house much afterwards, but he dropped by occassionally, so all the utilities were left on.

So my relative decided he could take advantage of the son’s frequent absence by “stealing electricity” from the house. I have no idea what this involved … I do believe though that it was something more elaborate than just running a long extension cord between the houses. :slight_smile:

Whatever the method, the son quickly discovered the theft and called the electric company, who were none too happy. So to retaliate, my relative torched the son’s house (no one was inside at the time). Problemo solved-o. Of course, it was a trivial matter for the police to attribute the fire to my relative, but then if my relative had been a rocket scientist, he wouldn’t have had to steal a dead guy’s electricity anyway.

BTW, despite the fact that my relative is clearly a jackass, the horrors he’s suffered in prison easily outweigh the crime he committed. I doubt that after frequent beatings / rapings he’s going to come out “rehabilitated”.
Oh, and one of my mother’s boyfriends attempted to shoot a sheriff a few years back. I don’t know the circumstances behind it, but the sheriff and my mom’s bf ended up wrestling on the ground for control of a gun. My mom’s bf managed to get control of it, pointed it at the sheriff’s head and pulled the trigger, but the sheriff managed to somehow wedge his thumb between the hammer and the firing pin (ouch), and eventually managed to subdue the bf.

I wasn’t really that surprised when I heard of the incident. The guy always struck me as being a bit “weird”. A couple of years before the attempted murder of the sheriff, I remember me, my mom, and the bf were sitting in his living room watching TV one afternoon, when the bf got up and announced that he was going to the convenience store down the street to get some sodas. A couple of hours later he still hadn’t returned, so we started to worry. He finally called 3 days later, 1300 miles away in Denver.

So the warning signs were definitely there. What sane person willingly goes to Denver?

SSU

My family was friends with the Hinckley’s (John Hinckley shot Reagan, Brady, an S.S. agent and a cop) for many years. My brother went to elementary school with John, and my father worked in the same industry (oil/geology) as his father. Owing to my dad’s work, we moved around a lot, and invariably they would move just down the street after a few months. They went from Ohio to Oklahoma to Louisiana to Texas to Colorado after we did (I think they hit all of those, but maybe one place got skipped). The last move was to Evergreen, Colorado where they lived about 5 houses away from us. We moved down to Denver after my father had heart problems, and about a year after my dad died John shot 'em all. My mother never kept in touch with them after that…

An occasional friend of mine from Juniour HS on had a sister who tried to commit suicide by putting a bullet in her head, but failed. She ended up paralyzed. So their dad picked her up from the hospital, drove her up to the mountains, then shot her (dead) and killed himself. My friend then went on for years afterward acting weird and shit, and we all guessed it had something to do with what had happened (you would be a little strange too, wouldn’t you?). Turned out that he had a brain tumour. After a few years of battling it he died in 96. Sad story, especially for the surviving mother.

HEY! I resemble that! Did I mention that when we moved to Denver, we actually moved to Littleton (south Denver)? I lived 20 minutes from Columbine…

Have 2 kids go on a killing rampage and the whole area gets blamed. Sheez! :slight_smile:

GuanoLad! You are a Dunedin boy then? My SO is a Dunedin boy too. I don’t know what I think about David Bain… Karam’s book was not particularly convincing but the articles in the Listener were fairly convincing to me at least.

One of my classmates in high school went with a friend to break into a old woman’s house. She was 94. They stabbed her numerous times, to the point that she looked like hamburger. He was sent to the reform school with his accessory, and the entire family moved because of the harassment they were recieving.

For my small Texas hometown of occasionally 6000 people (depends on whether the rodeo’s in town,) there are FAR too many psycho-killers.

I’ll start off with Mac and Ken–these two are forever trying to kill each other:
• They are riding in Mac’s pickup, when they find a tree across the road. Ken gets out to move it, expecting Mac to help. Instead, Mac floors it, running Ken over.
• The two have been drinking beer together at the VFW all night, when Ken has to go to the bathroom. He comes back with a Louisville Slugger and smashes Mac across the head with it…repeatedly.
• The two are about to go into the VFW to begin their night of beer drinking–when Ken buries a hunting knife into Mac’s side.
• Most recently, one of them (I don’t remember who did what this time) walked up to the other’s house, knocked on the door, and shot the other in the head, point-blank, with a handgun.

To this day, neither is dead, neither is in jail, and both can STILL be found most weekends, drinking beer and playing pool together at the local VFW.

They’re great friends–just ask 'em!

On to more grisly things:
A guy named Ryan ran in pretty much the same circles as I did, though I would hardly have called him a friend.

One night, he and a few of his buddies decide to rob a local drug-dealer. They go out to the dealer’s house, kick in the door, and smash the dealer’s mentally deficient son in the head with a pipe.

As they’re securing the son to a chair, the dealer arrives home. He sees his son strapped to a chair, so he turns and runs.

Ryan, no doubt prodded by his buddies, thinks that the dealer’s running for a gun, so he shoots his .22 into the dealer’s back.

The bullet richocheted within the dealer’s ribcage for a while, turning his innards into jelly. Ryan and company are now spending life in prison.

Back in March, Bricker was kind enough to find documentation of Ryan’s trial, and he posted it in the Double Jeopardy? thread.

Now, on to the really sick stuff:

Bernie Tiede.

Great guy!

Bernie was the pastor of a local church. He loaned money to people who wanted to start their own business. He played the organ at my girlfriend’s aunt’s funeral.

Nice guy–everybody loved him.

One of the special things that he did for the community was helping the elderly and homebound. He visted them, brought them meals, played handyman when things broke, and generally gave them a friend that they could count on.

One of his favorite friends was an old recluse lady, who just happened to also be a multi-millionaire.

The lady was a true recluse–she never went anywhere. No church, no friends, no local family, no PTA or American Legion.

She did, however, have a son. He lived far away, in Phoenix (I think.)

After 10 months of trying to contact his mother, only to be told by Bernie that she was vacationing in Mexico or at therapy in Houston, the son came here to check things out for himself.

Police questioned Bernie, finally getting him to crack. He confessed that he had shot the old woman in the back, twice.

She had become domineering, he said.

She had a demon inside, he said.

Police found the old lady right where Bernie had kept her for almost a year–in her deep freezer, nestled in among the deer sausage and spring peas.

He was convicted last year, sentenced to life, and I think that “Court TV” even followed the case.

Makes one hell of a bedtime story, doesn’t it?

-David

The most high-profile murder case here in Edmonton in the last few years, the murderer was someone who I had met a year or so earlier as part of a Star Trek Klingon fan club. He seemed like an okay guy. A year later, he strangled a young woman he had picked up in a bar. The media made sure everyone knew about his being an obsessive Star Trek fan…

The administrators at my high school were very proud of the fact that they had inserted a block of “student resource time” into every other day’s schedule. The premise was that students would be able to seek help with class asignments and work together on projects.

Two of the guys (10th graders, if memory serves) from my SRT section decided to use the time to plot the murders of guy #1’s family.

The two of them skipped school one day, and when the mom came home on her lunch hour, they took most of her head off with one of the family’s shotguns.

The plan was to kill the other members of the family (dad and a younger brother) as they arrived home from school and work. When the younger brother, who was about 7 or 8, got off the school bus, he somehow realized that something was very, very wrong and went to a neighbor’s house for help. The cops were called, and the guys were taken into custody.

I come from a small, close-knit town in SE Michigan, so I was amazed by the fact that the trial and sentencing so low-key. By the time their fates were decided, I was away at college. I imagine that, if they’re not still in juvie, they’ll be spending the forseeable future as guests of the state in the fair city of Jackson.

As a postscript, SRT was FAR more structured when we returned to school after spring break.

Does not compute.
Sua

I just remembered another one. This is more of a “small world” one, but a very serious crime was involved. This might get a bit confusing, so…

First, let us set up the Characters (Names changed to protect my @$$): First is “Dan”, father of one of my best friends. Dan used to be a Law enforcement Officer in a large town on the Texas coast.

Second is “Horse”. Horse was a founding member of the Banditos- a large motorcycle gang. Horse actually offered me a job running guns and drugs up from mexico once- I declined. Horse is also a good friend to my Brother-In-Law.

Well, “Dan’s” son knew “Horse” also, and one time introduced him to his dad. It turned out that Dan And Horse had met each other in less friendly environment. Dan had actually held Horse at the point of a sawed off Double Barreled shotgun while investigating a “barb-wiring” (wrapping a man in barb wire and throwing him in the Bay) that the Banditos- and Horse, rumor has it- were involved in. Turns out the police were not able to arrest. Not enough evidence and no one would talk out of fear that they would end up in the bay.

I knew that Horse was bad news, I just did not know how bad…

It’s not real close, but my wife’s grandfather murdered two police officers when he was 20 years old or so. He’s out now and on medication (schizophrenic) and is a pleasant, peaceful man now, if a bit spaced out by the drugs. He writes little stories now and submits them to Reader’s Digest and stuff.

Neutron Star, you said:

Is the name of the store Cecil’s? Because when I was growing up in Webster, MA, there was a store just like that, with an old guy who also was a jerk to us kids. My parents didn’t allow us to go there, cuz there supposedly was alot of drug dealing going on there; we snuck ther occasionally after school walking home from the bus stop. Since we moved out of the area when I was 8, I don’t know what happened to that store.

Up here in WI, it means that they probably live in a trailer (mobile home) park, in two different trailers.

Yeah, means that in Florida, too.

I checked my part of Florida, and it frightens me to know how many are in my neighborhood AND ON MY STREET. :shudder:

I was blissfully ignorant until I checked the fdle site last night. Couldn’t sleep for the longest time.
Off to Home Depot for stronger locks.

ahh yes, trailer parks… that’s more than possible. pensacola has quite a few of them, and based on the address, the area isn’t the best in the city. i’m still a little freaked out about my neighbor being on there. i think i’m going to call home later today and see if they’re aware of this.

Yikes, here’s one for y’all. In my more na1ve youth, I became associated with the Hell’s Angels. Not a member, joined a rock band with an HA running it. This sociopath was so upset after I left that he stole all the band equipment (rented) and the band truck (unpaid for), left his family, and took his 14-year-old stepdaughter (do the math) and chased after me to the west coast. (I was never there - much longer story.) He said while I was still in that band that he always felt cheated that his wife (the 14 YO’s mom) was not a virgin when they married, so if you hadn’t worked it out yet, guess why he took the girl with him??? Never been heard from again, the best part of the story. OK, not much grue, but it wasn’t any fun when I was getting threatened and thrown across rooms…
BPBob - “Honi soit qui mal y pense”