You got stoned for defending your faith and god protected you? Hallelujah! Another argument for making it legal to get stoned!
In France, all marriages are performed personally by the mayor or one of this deputies, obviously all elected officials. Some mayors threatened to refuse to marry gays. I don’t know if any actually did so. One performed a SSM some years before it was legal.
I’m sure the judge has a full docket. Let Davis consider her options.
Talk to her again in a few weeks.
Now, they have issued some SSM licenses at Rowen County, but my understanding is that none where signed. The judge already talked the clerk deputies about this. If they really have not been signed, or stamped with the clerks name, one by one, contempt of court. Of to the clink they should go. Might be a good way to clear out this particular rats nest.
I remember hearing about that. Isn’t there a mechanism for the Interior Ministry to suspend/remove mayors from office in France?
But the person whose signature is required is the county clerk, not the assistant clerk. You can’t send the assistant clerk to prison because the county clerk is refusing to sign.
As I understand it, the judge has told the assistants to issue unsigned licences. What else can he do, since only Davis can sign them, and she is refusing to do so? There is still some room for doubt as to the validity of a licence which has not been signed by the clerk, but has instead been issued on the authority of the federal courts, and this has been pointed out to the couples concerned. Presumably they will have no difficulty finding celebrants willing to act on foot of the court-issued licences, and presumably the state authorities will register marriages celebrated on foot of those licences. If there are any lingering doubts they can be satisfied, if necessary, by Kentucky legislating to ratify and validate marriages celebrated on foot of these licences.
Her divorces all occurred before she became a Christian, which IIRC was only about four years ago.
Wait, so God’s rules only apply if you self-identify as a Christian? And then, at that point, you suddenly take on an obligation to defend God’s rules on Christian and non-Christian alike?
This is a serious question. Does what I wrote above fairly represent the mindset of born-again Christians?
She was married at a Baptist church for the first three.
Actually, I believe that was when she became a born-again, fundamentalist Christian.
She may even say now that she wasn’t a Christian then, but that is using the fundamentalist criteria that until you are ‘born again’, you aren’t really a Christian. Just like they often say Catholics aren’t real Christians. But she was a Christian by the mainstream definition of Christian.
What does the phrase “on foot” mean in these sentences? I’ve never heard it used that way, and Google isn’t helping.
I wouldn’t quite put it that way, it’s more that the Christian God is a forgiving God, as long as you ask for that forgiveness.
Claiming she is a hypocrite because of the things she did before she converted to her current faith would be like someone in college who became vegan getting called a hypocrite because they ate burgers in high school.
Thanks for the explanation. Since she was Christian before, though, wouldn’t a better analogy be “someone in college who became vegan getting called a hypocrite because they ate burgers in high school, when they were only vegetarian” ?
Well, she was a Baptist before her current zealotry. Or was at least married in a Baptist church 3 times.
Baptists are quite up on what is allowed vis-a-vee the Bible. See Westborough.
The WBC evidently blames her divorces for degrading the institution of marriage so much that the Supreme Court saw fit to give it away to the gays.
Bolding mine. So what do they do when the clerk is on vacation? The County Clerk and Recorder does much more than just issue marriage licenses. There are hundreds of different types of documents that they record. I’m sure that they don’t just shut down the office when the Clerk is not there.
There must be a Deputy that is authorized to sign, or to rubber stamp them. I don’t think that is happening for the SSM licenses. So, contempt.
Now THAT’s funny. The circular logic and cognitive dissonance is at a 10. Well, I guess it always has been.
The whole thing about her previous sins vs. her current jackassery is a theological nonstarter, anyway. In the doctrine involved, once you are “reborn of the spirit” what came before is cleansed, a new blank page is turned. Of course then most reasonable people will expect that in view of your own experience you will have more of a sense of mercy tempering how you treat others, but we know that “new converts” are too often the most fanatical and rigid.
The deputy is deputed by the clerk, and can only do what the clerk deputes him or her to do. Presumably in this instance the clerk has told the assistants that they are not deputed to issue same-sex marriage licences (or, right now, any marriage licences at all).
But does she have the legal right to order them to discriminate, to break the law? If they obey her and refuse to issue licenses to gay couples, is “We Were Just Following Orders” enough to keep them out of trouble?
She has the legal authority; they’re her employees. It’s not really the federal court’s job to figure out the fine demarcation of clerks’ powers under Kentucky law.