Dude, you know that 1) Spike Lee’s and James Carville’s opinions don’t matter, 2) that they are not in any way representative of a systematic emigration of Obama’s supporters from his camp, 3) that these are two examples picked up and overstated by a frequently-sensationalist media outlet, 4) and that you are intentionally blind to 1-3 above.
That’s dishonest. Most especially #4. There’s simply no way you aren’t aware of your own silly biases. I refuse to believe it.
You.
I still like and fully support President Obama. I think he went into one of the most difficult presidencies in American history and is trying his damnedest to figure it all out. He had so many problems on his desk on Day One and having an opposition party whose sole platform is to stonewall and embarrass him didn’t help.
I hope to hell he wins a second term. I didn’t expect him to turn the United States into sunshine and butterflies, but I did expect him to put an honest effort into improving our country with progressive and commonsense policies. So far, I think he’s been delivering.
And yes, he told Americans that everyone was going to have to pitch in. The American people have failed in that respect, not Mr. Obama.
Well, not yet. A chunk of the American populace has been acting like spoiled children, but they always do. The bulk of us are waiting and watching, saving judgment until the evidence is in. So far, I gotta say the verdict looks pretty good, but we’ll see in another two years.
Actually “remorse” pretty much does mean you wish you could go back & change a past action.
I never thought Obama was anything but a pretty smart guy who tends left just a bit. And was going to inherit a huge mess.
I don’t agree with his actions 100%, but most Democrats aren’t into idolatry. There is no question that he’s a better president than Old Man McCain & the thought of President Palin makes my blood run cold. Once the Republicans name their Great White Hope, I’ll have no problem voting against him, her or it.
More than one - one guy supposedly quit his job to work for Obama. We had another short-term guest who started a thread with the “Obama is the bestest President EVAH!” but she didn’t last long. And Stoid mentioned she wanted to lick his ass at least once.
Evil One is right - anyone who denies the Obama worshipis kidding herself.
Regards,
Shodan
It doesn’t exist.
Palin worship on the other hand…
I feel remorse every time I look at a ballot. We had two choices on election day: Put Dick Cheney and friends back in power or not. I picked NOT and am still happy with my choice.
The people who dislike Obama because he hasn’t reversed the Bush/Cheney position fast enough I can sort of understand. Yes, he is not reigning in institutionalized greed fast enough. Why they think putting the Republicans back in office would have been better I just can’t figure out.
I would guess that you never really “bought” Obama in the first place, so it’s pretty hard to have remorse. I can sympathize with your view that Democrats and Republicans are quite similar. I’d be surprised though, if you were suddenly struck by this fact after Obama’s election.
Meh, I think on some level it can be said to exist. It’s the insinuations and imputations that some shit collected on a blog means that SDMB posters are also worshipers that irritate me.
Buyer’s remorse? The only people who would have remorse are those with abnormally high expectations that someone could inherit two wars, an economy in ruins, world image in the dumpster, and to top it off a huge deficit.
Yes, I have buyer’s remorse that he has not solved the incredible disaster left in the eight year wake of George Bush, because I am an idiot.
You’re joking, right? You link to an obviously over the top blog as evidence? Perhaps I will link to the time-cube guy as proof that there is an alternative physics out there.
I would not be surprised if that blog was put together by a republican as a joke.
This is a tough one to answer because it’s impossible to know how events would turn in a McCain administration.
I think McCain would be more supportive of Israel and other traditional allies. For example, I heard something about a Churchill bust being returned to England. I don’t know the story behind it, but the idea of doing that is shocking to me. I don’t think McCain would spend as much time “apologizing for America’s arrogance”. Bush’s foreign policy wasn’t perfect, but he drew a clear line between friends and enemies. There are those in the world who would gladly do us harm and it doesn’t bother me a bit if they fear us. They cannot be “engaged” by those who have a naive faith in their own eloquence.
I don’t know that McCain would embark on an orgy of federal spending and expansion. I don’t think that organized labor would have as much influence. I don’t know that GM would have been taken over. I don’t think the health care bill would have passed in its current form. I don’t think that the two Supreme Court nominees would have been as far to the left as they are.
There are positives to the Obama presidency, however. I generally disagree with liberal politics, so the coming Democrat bloodbath will please me. It wouldn’t be coming without the country seeing what happens when you let someone like Obama take the wheel.
Yes, yes, I know. It’s too early, people will start to like the health car bill, Obama’s troubles are a right-wing media fantasy. Keep telling yourself that as Democrat candidates that aren’t in very blue areas keep having “scheduling conflicts” because they don’t want a picture of them and Obama on the same stage.
A solid majority of the American people do not want a bigger government and they are concerned about government spending. Poll after poll confirms this. That’s why many Democrats are having to play the game of talking like a fiscal conservative at home and voting the party line in Washington. Many of them are going to get caught and removed from office.
I’ve read in this thread more than once about how politically astute dopers are. Those that follow current events are already aware of these facts, as ideologically inconvenient as they are. The current climate would not have been possible without the election of Obama.
Wrong. As usual.
I’ve never said that you are not technically dishonest. I have, in fact, said on multiple occasions that you are consistently and habitually dishonest. You are dishonest not in your political positions, but in the interpretations you offer and the conclusions you draw from the evidence.
If you say “Here’s a quote that shows X”, chances are that the quote is accurate, but that it doesn’t show anything like X. That’s the sort of dishonesty i’m talking about. You don’t make up quotes, and when you offer a citation you generally manage to quote the words correctly. But you are dishonest in ascribing meaning and significance, and in drawing conclusions.
Either that, or you’re just the dumbest turnip ever to fall off the truck. I’m willing to believe that, but i think it’s more likely that you’re deliberately dishonest.
Buyer’s remorse compared to whom? McCain? No, he’d have continued Bush’s cowboying and impetuosity, also with no basic principle other than “America, fuck yeah!”. Hillary? We had some “interesting” discussions in GD during primary season about that. Obama has done what I thought he’d do, be too susceptible to the chimerical need to reach compromises instead of stiffening his spine, under the delusion that the opposition party has a greater principle than opposition. We didn’t have to waste as much time as we have, or have settled for so much less than we have, and could have made more progress than we have. We didn’t still have to be stuck in Iraq or have only fuzzy goals in Afghanistan, and there remains no excuse for keeping Gitmo open. We need more done on economic stimulation and job creation, and we need a much better coordinated and proactive response to the Gulf oil disaster. We needed leftist nominees to judgeships to counterbalance the overrepresented rightists that are the legacy of too long a period of GOP control of the Senate, and we haven’t had many of those.
That said, he’s done a solid job marching down the progressive legislative priority list, as so many of you have pointed out. He hasn’t made a major blunder yet, although his continuation of Bush’s foreign policies is highly questionable. Although we needed a progressive to make up for too many years of regression, a diligent centrist isn’t all bad.
As to the other question in this thread, there were too many posters to count who put some form of “Obama country” in their location lines, remember? And I know of one who told us, in this very forum, of her desire to fellate him.
I glanced briefly at it, but that does seem to be the case. That is, it was put together to document any instances of Obama worship found on the web for Obama haters (or is that Obama fellator haters?) to laugh at.
Not that I did that, but I see that as more like having an Obama bumper sticker than some kind of excessive hero-worship.
I was trying only to give a gentle reminder to the readers of this thread who fit the question.
No buyer’s remorse here either. I’d still have rather chewed my right arm off than have a McCain / Palin presidency.
Just to touch on your first paragraph here:
I would say that your allies were mostly thrilled when Obama was elected. I know that most Canadians were; even though in realistic terms, Democrat presidents have historically been more protectionist, and not as good for the Canadian economy.
You “heard something” about a Churchill bust being returned, but “don’t know the story behind it”? This is pretty weak sauce.
Obama did tell a student group in Europe students that “America has been arrogant and has even ridiculed” its European allies. This was true. Remember “freedom fries”? The Bush administration was arrogant.
Bush’s foreign policy wasn’t perfect? Yes, in the same way that the Moon is a small stone.
Bush drew a clear line between friends and enemies? Indeed, Bush did think in simplistic absolute, black and white terms. Many people did not see this as a positive in the complex world of international relations.