Ok, I learn German at school.
I started to learn it when I started in 8th Grade, (autumn 2003).
I’m of course still in 8th Grade, but I also have lessons with 9th Grade bacause it’s too easy for me… 
Ich heisse Hilde Andrea, und ich bin vierzehn Jahre alt. Ich wohne in Oppegård, Norway. Wie heisst du, und wo wohnst du???
Mein lehrer ist Deutsch…
Tschüss!
Hilde Andrea
While I don’t advocate eating pigs either, at least pigs are generally a propertied resource: i.e. at least there is someone who OWNS the pigs and is in charge of making sure they continue to be a viable resource. They also raise them on their own time: the pigs aren’t playing a part in any larger natural ecosystem: they are grown on farms and factories.
Because nobody owns the whales, whalers have no incentive at all to moderate what they are doing to whale populations or natural ecosystems. Tragedy of the commons and all.
Most whale species have near human intelligence, but then, pigs aren’t too far off either. There is no doubt at all that they can both suffer, and I would wager to say that anyone who argues that their suffering doesn’t matter morally, cannot make any serious case that human suffering doesn’t matter, morally.
There is not allright killing an intelligent animal at all. Who have said that we own the animals?
The animals are not ours, we do not own them. They are creatures, just like us. We are sharing this planet, the earth, with a lot of other species, and we owe them respect, which we haven’t be able to manage at all. This is something which need to be changed!
Hilde Andrea
“I am in favour of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of the whole human being.”
Abraham Lincoln, 1809-1865
I agree, but most people do not.
We do own the animals. People once owned slaves: but just because this is now thought to be wrong doesn’t mean that they didn’t actually own slaves. Ownership is simply a socially recognized contract of property. If society in general recognizes that people own animals, then htey own them, regardless of whether it’s just or unjust.
Again, I agree. But people’s attitudes don’t change all that easily. In fact, it was almost certainly far easier to change majority attitudes on slavery than it will be to change people’s attitudes on torturing and killing animals for pleasure. At last the majority of people never owned slaves, so looking down on slavery was no real inconvenience to them at all. Giving up activities like eating veal and pork are minor inconveniences, which most people would never put up with.
Yes, but I don’t understand what you mean by saying “We do own the animals”.
NO, I do not agree.
Own as a word, what is that. The meaning of the word OWN is dofferent from people to people. Why don’t we call it it cooperate instead ? If you mean that OWN is similar to COOPERATE, I don’t agree at all.
I’m sure all the animals we kill every day not wpuld have done it freely.
Hilde Andrea
Er det noen her som forstår hva jeg skriver her?
Whaling in Norway is a falling industry.
Hilde Andrea 