on the other hand, everyone loves comedy until the comedian jokes about them.
I think it’s possible to find something unfunny (or offensive) without it being about you.
In this case, I didn’t go away mad, I just went away bored. Which is perhaps worse since at least “mad” gives me something to do and a reaction to how I spent that hour. Going away bored just means I wasted my time on it.
Oh, please. The put Lenny Bruce in an actual jail for his routine.
First, watching the special gives him royalties. I don’t want to put money in the pocket of the outrage generating machine. If someone tells me I’m misunderstanding, that he’s not actually saying shitty things about trans people, I might check it out; but from what I’ve seen of his previous specials, I don’t find him at all funny, and find him to be kind of an asshole.
Second, you think my calling him an asshole is a “tantrum”? What would you call your behavior, then? Your reaction is way funnier than anything I’ve seen Chapelle do.
Meh. Mulaney’s jokes about timid white dudes strike me to my core, and are fucking hilarious. What, do you suppose, is the difference between Chappelle mocking trans folks, and Mulaney mocking white dudes?
Just finished it. He misses a few, and not his best work, but seriously? WTF is the controversy about.
I think I see the problem. “making jokes about” is not automatically equivalent to “mocking.” It’s like when guys are breaking balls amongst each other. You can (or should be able to) tell the difference between a silly joke about you/someone, and when they’re ridiculing you because they actually hold you in contempt. I’ve only heard a few clips from this show so far, but none of what I’ve heard so far rises to the level of the latter.
relative privation fallacy.
That would genuinely change my mind. What I’ve heard from other folks is that he shows genuine contempt toward trans folk.
If I thought the dude was pretty funny, I might watch it myself to form my own opinion. As it is, I don’t enjoy his comedy, and so I’ll just make my opinion a little less firm :).
Read for context.
I liked it and I’ve seen most all of Dave Chappelle’s stand up comedy and Stick and Stones is fairly consistent will all the rest.
I don’t always agree with him, I think he’s wrong about a lot of stuff, but, he’s not a mind-slave to political correctness. He thinks for himself and I respect that. That’s true of many comedians that I like. Doug Stanhope, Louis CK, etc.
As opposed to some other people unnamed as of yet, who actually are “mind-slaves to political correctness” and “don’t think for themselves”?
That’s a perfect summation.
Except that, by my count, all of the people in this thread complaining about Chapelle’s routines concerning trans people and the #MeToo movement are cis men.
Ok, technically you are right!
That’s exactly right. I’m glad you understand.
Yes, I understand that it is a figure crammed full of straw.
And also I said that I’m totally fine with comedy that mocks me as a timid white dude, especially when it’s another timid white dude doing it. So he’s also right on substance.
But other than being technically right and right on substance, he’s wrong.
That ain’t straw.
You haven’t watched it, don’t intend to watch it, but still feel comfortable enough to disparage it based on second-hand information.
That’s not a great look.
I don’t think we need protected classes in comedy or as subjects of comedy. That said, it is a tricky space to navigate.
Well, there’s probably something sticky keeping that straw together. Something that’s also easily available on a farm.
Glad you think so!
Nobody is asking for protected classes. People are asking for comedians not to be shitty, as in, don’t mine laughs from reinforcing stereotypes of folks who have faced violent oppression. If you’re trans, or if you’re well-steeped in the experiences of being trans through some other means, and you can make great insightful surprising jokes that reflect the experience of being trans, that’s very different from making jokes from the outside of the experience.