Anyone still believe the Tea Party is not a social conservative/RR organization?

There has been a long-running controversy, in the Dope and more broadly, as to whether the Tea Party is mainly an economic-libertarian, small government organization, or a social conservative/religious-right organization. And one notes that RR messages as such rarely appear on their rally-signs or in their literature. (Neither does anything about immigration, IME.)

However, WRT Arizona Gov. Janet Brewer’s recent veto of the “religious freedom” bill, while the matter certainly touches on economic libertarianism, this is not the reaction of a secular economic libertarian.

:eek: Not penis cakes! Please think of the children! And of their penises! A lot!

The “Tea Party Nation” is a for-profit group that is part of, but not all of the Tea Party Movement. Why are you using them as a proxy for the entire, loosely organized, Tea Party Movement?

Did that rhet tac work for the Occupy movement ?

You know a better proxy?

No. That doesn’t make your proxy good. You’ve been trying to prove this for years, and it might every well be true. But you haven’t proven it.

Maybe it’s not the primary focus, but they sure do love abortion restrictions.

What would prove it?

As a follow-up question: is there any branch, group, wing or representative of the tea party that has not proven it/him/her self to be anything but a regressive on social or economic issues?

Well, their regressive stance on economic issues is no secret at all.

Welcome to the stall game of “That’s Not It!”, in which any and every example get’s the response “That’s not it”, but the question, “Well, which one is, then?” is never answered.

I think we’re in agreement but John Mace appears to claim that we cannot be sure who represents the Tea Party. Fair enough.

So will the real Tea Party Proxy please stand up?

ETA: what Czarcasm said.

The Tea Party started as a secular, libertarian movement.

The abomination it has become due to the Republicans hijacking it and making it about social issues, cannot be said to represent all Tea Partiers.

Yeah, we got that already. Could you point us in the right direction? A site, maybe?

So? Is there any True Tea Party remnant remaining?

A “movement”? If you say so. Evidence isthat it was founded by the Koch brothers, with an assist from their propaganda arm, Fox News.

See also here.

The TP is, perhaps, more than one thing – one other thing it is, is a movement of “local notables” – anti-elitist only in the sense that the billionaires on Wall Street are an elite compared with the millionaires on Main Street, but plenty elitist in its own right; what the latter want is the autonomy to dominate local economies and exploit local workers, etc., without any do-gooding federal interference. But, that dovetails well enough with the social conservatism, apparently.

Actually, it is answered when people note that it is a loose umbrella name for a whole range of groups and beliefs, many of them contradictory.

Refusing to identify a non-existent exemplar is not a stall game.
A good analogy, actually, is atheism. We frequently encounter various posters demanding to know what “atheists believe” who are never satisfied by the actual answer. There are probably one or two ideas that are common to all Tea Partiers–lower taxes is the only one that I recognize as common to all–but there have been Tea Party groups who were clearly opposed to President Obama because of race while other Tea Party groups could not care less, simply opposing his economic policies. (The first Tea Party groups were formed from among groups who had spoken out against President G W Bush for his financial recklessness and who had already formed their views before Obama and Clinton were duking it out in the primaries.) There are Tea Party groups who were recruited from the dissatisfied Religious Right and who bring with them all the concerns and prejudices of that group, but there are other Tea Party groups with no religious affiliations who are concerned only with financial issues.

But, when it comes time to contest primaries or form a caucus in Congress, all Tea Partiers do at least pretend to speak with one voice, as if the TP were just one thing.