And this too has already been explained to you-- credit card debt and medical care debt could be one and the same. Do you know what an ER visit for multiple broken bones and internal injuries would cost? What about cancer treatments? Do you think $10,000 would cover that? Imagine you had to charge your chemo and radiation on your multiple credit cards, maxing them all out. Then, guess what? You have to declare bankruptcy for your credit card debt, which you have because of… wait for it… your medical bills, and all the other things you had to charge because you were too sick to work while you were receiving your medical care.
But no, it MUST be because those people were buying SUV’s, or having illegitimate babies, or whatever, right?
In my husband’s case, something went awry seven months before he was born, resulting in a birth defect. I fail to see how that is in any way his fault or something he could have prevented.
No, largely his complaint is that no one will hire him and that he is, at this point, incapable of working.
Even if he was, how is that his fault? What does my husband’s parents have to do with his current situation, now that he is in his 50’s?
:rolleyes: Right, my husband chose to have spina bifida :rolleyes:
Well, my husband was certainly never pregnant at any age!
You don’t support anyone, you selfish piece of nasty, you’re on social security disability. You don’t even support yourself. YOU are supported by OTHER PEOPLE, including TAXPAYERS! You are one of the very people you say you despise. Must suck to be you.
Prove this statement or STFU. What you “imagine” has no relationship to reality that I can see. I want to talk about facts, not your delusions.
No, you’re not happy. You’re one of the most unhappy people on this board. Poor little rich girl, those mean poor people sucking on the public titty even as you collect YOUR government check. Why, if that keeps up maybe there won’t be enough to go around and >gasp!< YOU might get a smaller check, too! Is that what you’re afraid of? Even though you apparently have other resources, unlike many who would be left completely destitute.
You whine that your circumstances were beyond your control yet you won’t even consider that the same happens to others. I mention families in my area who were hit by a tornado and you say something along the lines of tornados don’t happen in Southern California - so I guess they don’t exist in the Midwest? Maybe the rest of us disbelieve in earthquakes, mudslides, and brush fires, then? It’s all about you, your world, your twisted beliefs - bad things can happen to YOU out of the blue, but if someone else gets hit by a rock falling out of the sky then it’s all their own fault.
But really, it’s the hypocrisy of saying how people taking taxpayer money are causing the end of the world and you yourself taking a government benefit supported by tax money without a trace of understanding what a slime filled hypocrite you are that makes me want to vomit.
I think one of the main disconnects here is that you have some people on one side arguing that there are certain real conditions that merit a sympathetic view of universal healthcare, and others who are suggesting that liars and fraudsters such as **Guin **are making it impossible to judge who is entitled and who is not. And so long as people like **Guin **exist it will be very, very hard to judge whether such a system is worth the risk of conartists abusing it even when there are so many people who are well deserving.
I’m hoping to work until at least 70, ideally 75 or 80. And yes, if the program still exists I most certainly do expect to collect, and why shouldn’t I? I have no objections to funding social programs and it would not be in the least hypocritical of me to collect from one.
Actually, I rather admire a woman I know who will turn 100 in November and still works full time as an airport manager in Tennessee… but realistically I know I can’t plan to be that healthy and energetic at that age, there’s an element of luck there. I sure would like to be, though! If I could find fulfilling work I can do at 100 I surely would like to do it. Sure beats sitting at home waiting to die.
No, I’m not insulted by you, I’m disgusted by you.
Really? You will starve without it? You’ve mentioned retirement funds and a husband in the past so presumably not. No, you don’t actually need the money, though yes, you are entitled to the money. You don’t need that money nearly as much as some of the people you loathe and despise need their benefits just to survive.
No - why would I? If someone qualifies for a government program why would I object to them taking advantage of it? All these people you are bitching about qualify for their programs just as much as you qualify for SSDI. Now, if you don’t like the program then bitch about that - but don’t attack people who qualify for it. YOU are the one bitching about people who legitimately qualify for a government program actually using that program. Which I find terribly ironic seeing as you yourself take advantage of government money.
No–the problem is heard-hearted bastards like you who wish people like Guin into non-existence. She has real health problems & is now living with her parents, who support her. She helps at home & with their funeral home–what fun! None of your precious tax dollars are going her way. She does need good health insurance & I hope she gets it. And that she gets meaningful employment–not the crap job that Crafter_Man was suggesting. (Since he’s so worried about all that tax money he’s paying, perhaps he needs to get a better job. Or a second job! If he isn’t earning enough money it’s obviously his fault.)
**curlcoat **has finally convinced the Feds that her nebulous problems are real enough to get disability money from SS. Good for her! Now she needs to stop saying her husband is supporting her–he’s got help. From all of us still paying into SS. (She did say she got some kind of temporary help from the State at some point but did not elaborate.) Disregarding the nebulous details of her “health problems”–I’m happy that she’s not making any co-workers miserable. For their sake, I don’t begrudge my share.
And she needs to stop bitching about “her” taxes. She isn’t paying any. And she doesn’t vote, either. She’s given up & retired from life. Not housebound & not bed ridden–perhaps her attitude will improve.
Yes, that is, for example, a reason we have public schools open to all regardless of income, so such children can get the education their deadbeat parents wouldn’t give them on their own. Likewise, it makes sense to make sure those children also have the care they need remain healthy, as healthy workers are more likely to be able to work and pay taxes to support our society - unlike disabled people, something you have personal experience with, yes?
Well, then, maybe you should educate yourself about those laws prior to opening your mouth in a discussion about bankruptcy and proving yourself to be an ignorant tool. No, “medical expenses” is not the only reason you can declare bankruptcy.
You can buy an SUV for $10K? Where? What planet?
Actually, if someone requires a fairly sophisticated wheelchair to get around they may not be able to use a normal car. Quadriplegics, for example, pretty much have to be transported in vans, there’s just no way to get them and their support equipment into a sub-compact. Of course, you couldn’t possibly comprehend that someone else’s circumstances may be different than yours, or they may have legitimate needs you don’t.
Yes, because it causes me great emotional distress to watch someone starve to death.
Absolutely. You see, water-borne diseases such as typhoid and cholera and various diarrhea-inducing maladies can spread to those of us with money to take care of ourselves, not to mention the stench of rotting corpses in the gutters being soooooo distasteful, so enlightened self-interest dictates that even the poor and scum-like should have clean water to drink, if only to safeguard the health of the wealthy.
Unless, of course, you’re a normal human being who simply understands that it is more humane to help one’s fellow citizens drink clean water.
Sure. Cause, personally, I don’t want to have to walk past any more corpsicles on my way to somewhere else ever again. Oh, wait - people don’t freeze to death in Southern California, so I guess that doesn’t happen anywhere… carry on.
Yes, because educating children whose parents are too stupid or neglectful to see the importance of educating their children gives those children their best shot at making them independent, self-supporting, tax-paying citizens. K-12 public schooling is cheaper than a lifetime on the dole or in prison. I’m sorry you don’t have the intellect to comprehend the utility of that.
You know, even in Chicago the well-to-do take advantage of subsidized mass transit. Even the poor use the roads. Hey, wait a minute - you’ve been on roads, too, you’re even a driver, right? Yet again, you take advantage of something that is supported in part by tax dollars (transportation) and then criticize others for doing so.
Tell me, is it hard work being such a hypocrite? Did you have to practice a lot before you got it down this good?
and the list goes on. Does it occur to you that the ability of the taxpayer to pay for these things isn’t infinite?
Well, sure, we’ll give you the right to give “a chunk of your income to pay for healthcare for all”, in fact, that is exactly what we want!
It’s not just ONE other country, it’s a LOT of other countries - UK, France, Germany, Denmark, Finland, Australia… bunches more. In fact, by NOT having UHC we get lumped in with such attractive places as China, India, um… let’s see… Zimbabwe, Somalia…
Retiring boomers will be going onto MEDICARE which is already UHC for those over 65. And you know what? It’s working so well it would be political suicide to get rid of it at this point. Why is it OK for everyone over 65 to have a UHC in this country, but not anyone under 65?
Well, then, curlcoat has nothing to bitch about, as she is disabled and thus makes no money a year, right? Well, she gets social security checks, of course, but that’s nowhere near $300k a year so, again, no worries, right?
For any system, there are going to be people who learn how to “game” it. There are plenty of books on “what day to go to Disney World to get the shortest lines” to “how to play the stock market” to “how to study for the LSAT”. Some of these things are, obviously, more egregious than others.
The thinking person regards all that as “noise” in the system. It’s unavoidable, although efforts to minimize it are a must.
curlcoat is apparently under the impression that the SS she is drawing now is going to equal the amount she put in. She doesn’t grasp the fact that over time she can easily draw more than she had paid in.
All I know is that there is pretty much nothing that entertains me more than an unemployed, Social Security/Disability collecting, Orange County housewife complaining about poor people taking all her money. I’m just surprised she has the time to contribute here at all in between nail appointments and bon-bon jags.
The thing is, I seriously doubt curlcoat is any richer than upper middle class. I hear a lot of middle class people who are the victims of the sort of behavior you describe, bitching and moaning about all the poor rich people. It’s like some weird variation of Stockholm Syndrome.
Shockingly, on a message board, sometimes other people comment on the posts you’ve directed to a single person. I know it’s tough when the hoi polloi point out that you’re being a fucking retard, but that’s a cross you’ll just have to bear.
Since apparently your poor mother was a syphilis-ridden whore who passed her shame down to you in congentital form, thereby cursing you with this all-too-evident developmental disability, let me spell it out for you more clearly.
You asked whether there was not a similar situation with health care as with food, in terms of what is provided to the poor versus what the rich may obtain for themselves. The poor are, theoretically, provided with such food as will keep them healthy, in terms of nutritional content and quantity. So, presumably, they should also be provided with such health care as will keep them healthy. The caviar and champage of food would then be equated to breast augmentation surgery. Now, I hadn’t seen anyone in the thread argue for giving people free access to absolutely any remotely medical procedure their little hearts desire, so I was curiuos as to exactly what orifice you’d pulled your bizarre question from, since clearly it couldn’t be in response to anyone here.
If you’re still having problems with comprehension, let me know. I could probably whip up a diagram–my ASCII boobs are pretty hot: (.)(.)
I don’t see how Guin is a con artist or a scammer. The only time she received Medicaid was for one emergency hospital visit. They covered her bills, which were probably quite expensive, and that’s it. Other than that, her parents support her or she supports herself. They are apparently paying out of pocket for her meds. Where you’re getting this idea that she’s some welfare queen committing fraud I don’t know. And frankly, I don’t care. I’m not an internet detective with nothing better to do that figure out who’s lying about having epilepsy or their job status. I’m not sure why you give so much of a fuck either, frankly. You seem to get off on stalking the objects you deem worthy of scorn, which doesn’t make you someone who is worthy of respect either.
I hear that OBama is going to give an press conference on the Guinastasia Issue that is roiling the public discourse. Perhaps then this crucial issue may be resolved.
Oh boy, I just now saw the part where curlcoat claimed that her $10k of credit card limit is an excellent “reserve” in case she ever has a big medical emergency. HAW, HAW, HAW! First of all, the idea that having a high credit card limit is a good “reserve” for emergencies, and second, the idea that $10k would likely cover a major medical emergency. Pardon me… I have to find something to wipe my eyes, I’m laughing so hard.
Hee!
Also, you people who stalk Guinastasia and know every tiny detail that she has ever posted here are kind of creepy.
I think one of the main disconnects here is that you have some people on one side arguing that there are certain real cases of rape that merit a sympathetic view of universal access to law enforcement investigation of such charges, and others who are suggesting that liars and fraudsters such as women who use accusations of rape to punish someone they don’t like are making it impossible to judge who is entitled and who is not. And so long as people like those women exist it will be very, very hard to judge whether such a system is worth the risk of conartists abusing it even when there are so many people who are well deserving.
(In case you’re obtuse, the point was that potential abuse of a system is not a good argument against having the system.)
