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When I first heard about her, I assumed she was some lightweight who sneaked through the cracks. But, I can’t disagree more with the OP. She is very, very smart and very, very good at this.
AOC was doing well what she intended to do, and getting her messaging through to whom she wants to get it, whether or not we agree with either her premises or her intent. She’s not as amazing as some people wish but neither is she some naïf adrift.
OTOH like many real world matters of policy this is **not **“a simple Yes or No” question. It’s not even one single question. But for her political purposes she is using it effectively.
In the USA the mainstream print press has been allowed to get away with all sorts of things short of provable libel or outright obscenity since anyone bothers to remember. And I would not have it any other way.
*Broadcast *media, being public franchisees, are on a tighter leash but the requirement of “fairness” was done away with a generation ago.
Non-broadcast, you go back down to the print press standard.
But part of the whole deal is that debates on whether or not Facebook/Twitter/et al ***are ***“press” or a “common public space” or a repository of the public interest, are still ongoing.
And Zuckerberg being a designated punchmonkey of the 116th Congress from both right and left does not impress me, as I see them flailing at their own inability to do something about the problem.
Considering the source, I take this as a ringing endorsement of AOC.
Who are all these stupid cunts getting their news from Facebook? It seems like they’re everywhere, but I’m 100% certain I’ve never met anyone that dumb.
I’m 100% certain you have, but just don’t know it.
Interesting thread!
Fiddle Peghead starts by linking to a FoxNews clip readily available from more responsible sources. Pro-Tip for Fiddle Pegs: next time have your nephew or the kid who cuts your grass Google to find you a less laughable source. Using a FoxNews video tells us all we need to know about your “opinion.”
Second: Of course AOC is grandstanding to some extent. Zuckerberg can and will send more complete answers for the record. But let me ask Fiddle Pegs: Have you ever watched a Gopster ask questions of a witness? What did you think of the Gopsters breaking into a closed session 2 days ago? Anyone who finds AOC’s performance to make the Top 1000 List of recent bad behavior by Congresspeople is [del]ignorant as shit[/del] probably getting all their info from FoxNews and Facebook.
Definitely. I don’t know of any easy solution to this problem, but we should acknowledge that it is a problem.
I liked her charisma when she was just the random media darling. But she is definitely a much better-than-average Congressperson by now. (I mean “better-than-average Democratic Congressperson.” Without the “Democratic” qualifier, the bar is very low.)
You seem unfamiliar with today’s “right-wingers.” If Trump went berserk and got American cities bombed, the right would blame the libtards for pushing him into it, and chortle that the cities were most fully of libtards anyway.
Agreed. I have a huge cerebral crush on AOC (the packaging ain’t bad, either, but that’s a non-related digression). She’s brilliant at her job, and gets more impressive every time I see her.
…just to take a deeper dive into this:
The line of questioning here was to establish “where the line would be drawn.” The first question was about an falsehood that could cause “voter suppression”, and Zuckerberg said that yes, those adverts would be removed. She established that there was a threshold that political adverts would get vetted.
Her second question wasn’t “would you run an ad by a Democrat saying his opponent supported the Green New Deal.” It was “Would I be able to run advertisements on Facebook targeting Republicans in primary saying they voted for the Green New Deal?”
You claim these two statements are “essentially the same.” But they aren’t. It wouldn’t have been hard for you to type the verbatim quote. But you chose to make something up. Why did you do that?
She was clear and precise. How was she not?
Why would Ocasio-Cortez be interested in an answer to a question that she didn’t ask? Zuckerberg has stated over-and-over again his opinion that “people should be able to judge the character of politicians themselves.” We knew that before the hearing started. He repeated it in response to other questions. You’ve listened to the rest of the questions right? Surely you are aware that he answered with variations of this very same response over and over again?
What is it do you think the purpose of these hearings are? Should they be used to hold the rich and the powerful to account, or should they be opportunities for the rich and the powerful to simply repeat talking points and propaganda?
It was a simple yes or no question. How was it not a simple yes or no question? Zuckerberg testified for hours. Yet he couldn’t answer many different variations on that question. We are still none-the-wiser. Do you think that’s a good thing or a bad thing?
We got this news today. At the last election Facebook employees were embedded in the Trump campaign. The staff at Facebook might overwhelmingly vote Democrat, but everyone in power supports the Republicans.
These are serious issues for a single reason: what happens on Facebook could turn the next election. They need to be addressed. Maybe if Zuckerberg had spent less time waffling and more time answering the questions then “the question wouldn’t be left to hang in the air.”
AOC’s tactics were akin to those of a prosecutor handling an uncooperative witness. This is exactly the path she should be going down, and it should be the path that all the Democrats take.
Same. As a lad with left-leaning sensibilities, I dread the coming of the day when we’ll have to put her, too, on The List.
What ?
Not surprising. I feel the same when the members of this board shit on a right-wing politician.
But for real (and politics aside) she really is a moron and the perfect caricature of an annoying, woke liberal who’s a super duper victim.
Show me on the doll where Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez touched you.
He’s following it EXTREMELY closely.
Show me on the doll where Republicans touched you
I do follow her and her crew on Twitter. I’m basically an expert 
And she IS a moron.
Maybe you should debate her. Show us who the moron is. I know where my money’s going.
Haha when has AOC debated anyone, ever, from the other side in an open dialog?
Answer is never. She is extremely good at shielding herself from criticism and only speaking when she is rehearsed and in a setting with like minded people.
She falls the fuck apart when she has to shoot from the hip & ad lib.
She’s fake, and a fraud.
“She falls the fuck apart when she has to shoot from the hip & ad lib.”
I’m sure you can cite this. Perhaps with a Faux news link, even?
I think you mean Fremdschämen. Comes in handy more and more often these days.
I’m a lefty, I like AOC, and if I could vote in the United States, it would be for a Democrat.
I thought that her line of questioning was smartly done, in terms of the point that she was trying to make. She was clearly trying to find the boundaries of Facebook’s willingness to police and restrict political content, especially advertising, and some of the questions she asked made a good effort at doing that, and at exposing the lack of consistency in Zuckerberg’s answers.
If I have a criticism of Ocasio-Cortez over this, it’s with the fundamental basis of her questioning: the idea that social media companies should be responsible for determining and policing the accuracy of political advertisements. Politicians and their proxies have been lying and obfuscating for as long as there have been voters to lie to, and the advent of social media hasn’t changed that. If we have a significant population who are so fucking dumb that they’ll believe anything they read on Facebook, I’m not sure that’s Facebook’s fault, and I’m not sure that Facebook should be compelled to protect our democracy from the credulity or stupidity of some of its members.
I think what was most startling to me, in the video clip, was how inept Zuckerberg was at dealing with AOC’s questions. It’s like he walked in there not having a clue of what he was going to be asked. Surely he knew what was coming, and had prepared for it beforehand? He fumbled around like an undergrad who hasn’t done the reading trying to answer a professor’s question in front of the class. This is a guy who’s in charge of a multi-billion dollar company whose whole business is based on communication, and he can’t even handle some basic questions about his company’s practices and policies.