XPav
January 21, 2003, 1:09am
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This has happened to my more than once now at different times. I drink a couple tall glasses of apple juice direct from the fridge, and I get a headache shortly after.
I don’t get a headache if I drink orange juice.
Any thoughts on whats causing this?
(Yes, to make it go away, I stop drinking apple juice! :rolleyes: )
Q.E.D
January 21, 2003, 4:30am
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Doing a bit of web searching, I found this.
From that link:
More than 100 foods have the capacity to trigger migraine headache. Tyramine and phenylethylamine are found in beers, wines, certain liquors, cheese and cheese-food products, fresh and processed meat, seafood products, peas, pickles, olives, and sauerkraut. These chemicals tend to become more potent in foods that are stored improperly. Tannin is contained in apple juice, coffee, red wine, and tea.
Perhaps you are experiencing minor migraine headaches?
XPav
January 21, 2003, 4:48am
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Hrm, that could be, however I do drink copious amount of coffee and don’t seem to get any headaches from that.
Any ideas of the concentrations of tannin in various products?
Q.E.D
January 21, 2003, 5:11am
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I was unable to find any listings of specific concentrations, however from this site, I found:
Although citrus fruits themselves do not appear to contain tannins, orange juices and orange-colored juices may contain food dyes that contain tannins. Many fruit drinks contain apple juice, which is high in tannins. Tannins are often added to juices, as a clarifying agent, and, in some apple ciders, it’s added to increase the “mouth feel” (astringency) of the juices. Grape juices and berry juices are relatively high in tannins.
and
Chocolate and caffeine-containing beverages have often been considered migraine triggers. Researchers have attributed migraine to the caffeine, though other components of the beverages exist. Black tea and chocolate contain high proportions of condensed tannins. Green tea and coffee contain less deleterious hydrolyzable tannins , although if drunk in large portions, these may trigger migraines as well as black teas and chocolate. Colas and other soft drinks may contain tannins in the form of food dyes. Empirical evidence suggests that caffeine appears to speed up the process of tannin-induced migraines somewhat, but not as much as alcohol. It seems to take about an hour or two for migraine to be produced from chocolate and other tannin-and-caffeine containing foods.
Emphasis is mine in both cases. It seems to imply apple juice is worse than coffe, but again, no specific numbers, unfortunately.
Q.E.D
January 21, 2003, 5:18am
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I was unable to find any listings of specific concentrations, however from this site, I found:
Although citrus fruits themselves do not appear to contain tannins, orange juices and orange-colored juices may contain food dyes that contain tannins. Many fruit drinks contain apple juice, which is high in tannins. Tannins are often added to juices, as a clarifying agent, and, in some apple ciders, it’s added to increase the “mouth feel” (astringency) of the juices. Grape juices and berry juices are relatively high in tannins.
and
Chocolate and caffeine-containing beverages have often been considered migraine triggers. Researchers have attributed migraine to the caffeine, though other components of the beverages exist. Black tea and chocolate contain high proportions of condensed tannins. Green tea and coffee contain less deleterious hydrolyzable tannins , although if drunk in large portions, these may trigger migraines as well as black teas and chocolate. Colas and other soft drinks may contain tannins in the form of food dyes. Empirical evidence suggests that caffeine appears to speed up the process of tannin-induced migraines somewhat, but not as much as alcohol. It seems to take about an hour or two for migraine to be produced from chocolate and other tannin-and-caffeine containing foods.
Emphasis is mine in both cases. It seems to imply apple juice is worse than coffe, but again, no specific numbers, unfortunately.
Xpav, I am skeptical of those migrane links.
Is the apple juice clarified? What happens if you try unclarified AJ?
Gravity
January 21, 2003, 12:16pm
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Apple juice is pretty high in carbohydrates. I supposed that that if you are an undiagnosed diabetic, you could get that reaction when your blood sugar spikes. I know that I do.
XPav
January 22, 2003, 2:37am
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The apple juice is indeed clarified.
Now I’m paranoid about being a diabetic. :eek:
Q.E.D
January 22, 2003, 2:43am
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Couldn’t hurt to consult a physician. Have you a big sweet tooth? If so, do other foods rich in sugar and starches cause problems?
XPav
January 22, 2003, 6:42am
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I’ve cut back but have been known to down entire carton of Ben and Jerrys with nary a complaint, plus near-daily cafe mocha’s at the coffee shop down the street with no headache either.
A headache is decidedly atypical for me – which is why I was able to link it to the apple juice in the first place.
Ya know, as the apple juice is guzzled straight from the fridge, could this be our old friend the Ice Cream Headache, brought on by cold apple juice?
Cecil on the topic:
What causes “ice cream headache”?
Chuck Nevitt, Dallas…
This is slightly off topic, but since we’re already discussing apple juice…
Whenever I drink apple juice I get pains in my stomach and feel slightly nauseous. I don’t get a headache, though. This happens after just one glass. I’m not a coffee drinker, but I often drink copious amounts of tea. This does not carry the same problem. Neither does consuming entire bars of chocolate. I generally have a “strong” stomach.
Could this be caused by these “tannins” too? I don’t know what they are, as I’m not a native English speaker. I don’t know what the diference is between “clarified” and “not clarified” apple juice is, either. Can anyone explain this, please?
I read that the enzyme that is used to clarify apple juice (pectinase I think) causes diarrhoea in children.
The enzyme breaks the longer fibres down into smaller, more soluble units, making it clear. The juice is clarified because people like it that way.
So give kids non-clarified apple juice.
Anyway, I was wondering earlier if it was the enzyme that caused the headache/queezy stomach.
I will look for a cite later … must sleep now.
*Originally posted by antechinus *
The enzyme breaks the longer fibres down into smaller, more soluble units, making it clear. The juice is clarified because people like it that way.
So give kids non-clarified apple juice.
Anyway, I was wondering earlier if it was the enzyme that caused the headache/queezy stomach.
I will look for a cite later … must sleep now. **
That could very well be, as I don’t have the same problem when eating apples. And it’s stomach related, at least in my case.
After eating a lot of carrots quickly, our five year old daughter turned to me and said: “Daddy, I have a carrot headache!”
Found it. This is part of a transcipt from The Health Report, ABC radio, 14 August 2002.
Norman Swan: That’s Dr Hans Hoekstra, a pediatric researcher from s’Hertogenbosch in the Netherlands. And the problem he’s talking about is, loosely, diarrhoea caused by apple juice, one of the most popular drinks for young children.
Hans Hoekstra: Little children are taking a lot of apple juice. And the parents perceive them as being natural and healthy for the children. But they consume, let’s say, a half a litre or one litre a day. That might provoke diarrhoea, they may have some bellyaches, but in general their state of health is quite good.
Norman Swan: Dr Hoekstra has just published the findings of a study which tried to discover what it is in apple juice which causes the
Hans Hoekstra: That’s apple juice made from the apple pulp directly, and bottled and sold commercially. But the food industries, they want
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/hstories/hr140802.htm