And evidently some of us – although not I – argue that wearing the traditional head coverings is itself a message that “…promotes a social attitude that absolves men of sexually harassing women and puts the onus on the victim to protect herself by covering up.”
So why are they wrong and you right? Do you just know better?
You forgot to quote this part:
The new Muslim Reform Movement, a global network of leaders, advocating for human rights, peace and secular governance, supports the right of Muslim women to wear — or not wear — the headscarf.
Which seems to align exactly with what I was saying about personal freedom and not meddling in others’ affairs. The writers of the article appear to be invested in a movement to modernize Islam, and kudos to them for doing so. Their objection isn’t to the niqab or hijab, but to the mandating of it.
But tell me, how does any of this affect the yokels at Walmart who glare at or insult people in traditional Islamic garb? Are these yokels personally affected by the wearing of a hijab, or is it that said yokels are fully behind the Muslim Reform Movement? I would venture to guess that it’s more likely that said yokels are just a bunch of hateful xenophobic bigots who also hate a fairly wide swath of other minorities.
Really? You would not find it disrespectful for a woman visiting, say Saudi Arabia or Iran, to walk around in a tanktop and mini-skirt?
Do you think angry stares is the worst she would get?
As a white man in a Western metropolitan area, my opinion of how a given woman dresses is irrelevant, and to insist that my opinion does matter is close to the standard illustration of privilege and “man-splaining.”
However, some Muslim women arguing that other members of their faith are not being served well by adhering to traditional standards, or pointing out that these standards are not as traditional as others might think, is perfectly acceptable.
To be clear, your opinion is that it’s appropriate to make a woman feel small and ashamed for having the temerity to wear clothes you don’t like because somewhere else women are made to feel small and ashamed for wearing clothes someone else doesn’t like? In what way is this helpful? How is our society or theirs made better by this attitude?
As I’ve said before, for me it is not about a women being opressed or not or to what level.
It is about showing adherance to a particular strain of Islam.
What you are saying is the same as lots of people say - if you agree with my opinion, you don’t deserve any kind of social disapproval. If you don’t, or if you shop at Wal-Mart, then you deserve the same disapproval. As ever, I can tolerate anything except disagreement.
I’m not a fan of the full body coverings, but its odd that you frame this as American’s losing it, I’m assuming “it” means patience" with Muslims. How were those other WalMart shoppers affected by someone else’s outfit, I would ask them. Have they see the peopleofwalmart.com? Americans dress a lot worse, I would prefer to have some full body hijabs for some of those people.
So a couple of ding dongs in your local Wally World act like ding dongs and the other 300+ million of us are losing it? :dubious: Your tolerance may be coming to an end but mine has not diminished.
I agree. Anyone who doesn’t meet my personal view of being “hot” should not be allowed in public or at least completely cover themselves so as not to offend mine delicate eyes.
I have no idea. But if she did get angry stares or worse, are you advocating we emulate such barbaric behavior? Is this an adult version of “Mom, he started it!” and tit-for-tat ensues? Geez, I thought we were all supposed to have learned in kindergarten how to be the bigger person, but I suppose some were playing hooky that day. My job is to take care of me, not everyone else.
It’s more than just a couple of ding-dongs. I can point you to plenty of websites, none of which are Stormfront or Free Republic, that are lousy, and I use that term with feeling, with right-wing cowards who think your government should be dropping nuclear bombs on millions of people on the other side of the planet and revoking the American citizenship of any Muslims on this side of it. All because the idea of being exposed to a Muslim leaves them standing in a puddle of their own urine wailing about their feelings.