Are Conservatives Right To Be Demeaning Obama as a Factionalist?

There appears to be a steady narrative coming out of the punditry that Obama’s win, convincing though it was, doesn’t mean anything because Obama didn’t run on his record. He just scared people, or so the story goes. Mr. Hanson here explains it this way:

“In textbook community-organizing fashion, Obama won the election by brilliantly cobbling together factions with shrill warnings of supposed enemies everywhere. Young women were threatened by sexist Neanderthal males. Minorities were oppressed by neo-Confederate tea partiers. Greens were in danger from greedy smokestack polluters. Gays were bullied by homophobic Evangelicals. Illegal aliens were demonized by xenophobic nativists. And the 47 percent were at the mercy of the grasping 1 percent. Almost any American could fall into the category of either an Obama-aligned victim or a Romney-aligned oppressor.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/08/groundhog_day_in_america_116111.html

Of course, it makes perfect sense for the losing party to downplay the loss, particularly going into a sharp debate about entitlement and tax reform ahead of the fiscal cliff. That is what you would expect. For the short term, however, I suspect the media and voters will juxtapose the Republicans pre-election confidence that winning the election would be all about rejecting Obama against their post-election position that losing the election had nothing to do with accepting Obama, but that’s not the point I wanted to get at.

The Republican’s characterization of appealing to issues that are important to minorities or left-leaning groups as petty or unimportant strikes me as odious. I think of it in the same vein as Democrat’s expectation that Republicans will hack voting machines or rig elections. But, why? To figure this out, I wanted first to understand the red-side position on the matter.

For that, I turned back to the Conventions. During the Republican National Convention, I remember watching Ms. Romney give a speech about women. What struck me in particular was this part of her speech:

“It’s the moms of this nation — single, married, widowed — who really hold this country together. We’re the mothers, we’re the wives, we’re the grandmothers, we’re the big sisters, we’re the little sisters, we’re the daughters. You know it’s true, don’t you? You’re the ones who always have to do a little more.”

She went on for a moment in this vein, basically pointing out the reality that women tend to have heavier burdens, particularly in managing the family life, than men do. I was surprised, as I expected her next to talk about fixing this labor disparity, or at least acknowledging it was a problem. Instead, she said:

“You are the best of America. You are the hope of America. There would not be an America without you. Tonight, we salute you and sing your praises.”

I was not sure what to think. Did she just pull the 2012 equivalent (to take an extreme example) of a 1800s plantation owner telling his slaves he knows they work really hard without any rights, and then telling them to keep up the good work with a firm pat on the back? Pissed me off at the time.

But, in retrospect, I can actually understand what she was going for. In the rest of Ann’s speech, she discussed how economic issues affect everyone, including women. She was arguing that certain issues affect both Joe Texas AND working mothers, and so, logically, those issues should be the most important ones when an election rolls around. Similarly, the plantation owner might argue that his slaves should care a great deal about the economy, because if he has no money they will have less to eat.

I don’t have a cite handy, but yesterday at least four or five blogs on RedState.com expressed this contrast between “small” issues important to minorities and “large” issues that should be important to everyone. I’ve seen this discussed in the context of Hispanics, especially, when Republicans talk about just needing to get the message out that Hispanics SHOULD care more about economics and religious social issues and therefore vote Republican.

Isn’t that fair? Are right wingers right to complain that campaigning on issues that affect minorities, but not majorities, is somehow the “wrong way” to campaign?

Well, no. I feel like the perception that addressing issues that women / Hispanics / etc care about is “shrill warnings of supposed enemies everywhere” flows from blindness about privilege. (I promise I won’t use that word again, because it’s a buzzword that sends right-wing folks into an apoplectic fit.) That is to say: not being raped, deported, told you who can marry what operations you are allowed to have and not have are not, in and of themselves, issues connected to any minority group. The most ardent Texas Republican does not want to be raped any more than he wants the government to tax his paycheck at 50%. Joe Texas would not vote for someone who campaigned on the slogan, “I want to make it easier for people to put you in a truck and send you to Mexico.”

And yet, if this hypothetical Joe Texas is typical of the right-leaning folks I am reading online, he does not perceive that stopping deportation is an important issue for the country because as a practical matter it does not threaten him. Ditto bans on abortion in cases of rape (or otherwise). Joe Texas simply never has to worry about this in his day-to-day life. It’s the same principle at work when women try to explain that simply being a women means they have to deal with a whole set of expectations and issues that men pass through life blissfully unaware of. He has no real understanding of what it means to live with baggage associated with not being a white male.

So, when a Hispanic voter is worried about an immigration policy that threatens to deport her friends that have lived here as Americans since the age of 3, Joe Texas perceives them as “victims.” Their problems and concerns are not “real.” They’re just the product of skillful politicking, or “community organizing.”

This is not fair and doesnt seem productive. Not being racially profiled by the local police is just as much of a universal desire as having a good economy – it’s just that white male Americans do not have to think about it much, and African American or Hispanic Americans do.

On the flip side, having a good economy is not universal either – the 1% top income earners are doing just fine, thank you very much. What is a “real” issue and what is merely “community organizing” depends entirely on who you happen to be. The right doesn’t need to work on it’s “messaging;” they need to start having empathy for folks who have problems Joe Texas does not share.

TL/DR VERSION / CONCLUSION:

I see a lot more pundits complaining about how issues their constituency sees as important, so called “fundamentals,” did not decide the election, so it doesn’t matter. I wish more people would realize that fundamental is in the eye of the beholder, and painting worries about your family being deported as a scare tactic is insulting (and poor politics).

The answer is: No.

The “Conservatives”* here are the true dividers and factionalists. Name calling, fearmongering, lying and distorting the truth.

This is not to say that no other political faction or group does the same. I am only saying that these folks have raised it to the level of a folie a beaucoup (a folie a deux on an epic scale), facilitated by their own network.

  • Placed in quotes because in some respects they are not true Conservatives.

Deporting illegal immigrants? Try exiling US citizens. Propping up the 1% at the expense of the 47%? Try 93% of all income growth going to the top 1%.

When people say Obama didn’t run on his record, they’re right. Democrats - even the ones who claim to have voted for Obama as the lesser evil - were not looking at what an Obama administration actually means.

I see it the other way. The Dems are inclusive. They want the single mothers, the immigrants, those who’s sexual identity are not in line with hard core evangelicals, the down-on-their-luck guy who’s been looking for work for over a year, the elderly who need health care but can’t afford it…

The Republicans have one target group, wealthy, gun owning, religiously radicals.
If you don’t pray to a Christian God, you’re out.
If you need financial help for ANY reason, you’re out.
If you don’t have sex in a way we approve, you’re out.

This. These people are describing themselves. If anything part of Obama’s problem is that he isn’t factionalist enough; he keep trying to cooperate and compromise with implacable enemies who see any such attempt simply as a weakness to be taken advantage of.

This falls squarely under the category “attack the opposition for doing what you’re actually doing yourself”.

If Obama scared women about Republicans, he had a “little” help from certain Republicans who are still living in the 18th century.

At any rate, both parties ran mostly negative campaigns, so I don’t see how the Republicans can blame the Dems for what they were doing equally, if not more, so.

No, it is Republican spin because they are still unwilling to consider raising taxes.

Obama was very clear that he was campaigning on raising taxes on the most wealthy. Romney was very clear on not accepting even a dollar of revenue for every 10 dollars of spending cuts.

Just because you disagree with Obama doesn’t make his position disappear. He said he would raise taxes on the most wealthy and he argued that such taxes have gone along with booming economies in the past. It’s that simple. People voted for him because they want him to do that.

In other words, this guy is saying that not being able to marry hardly matters as much as rich guys keeping their historically low tax rates. Losing abortion rights, and some of the rights of equal pay for equal work is hardly as important as destroying Medicare.

I hope these clowns keep it up. The fascist wing of the Republican party is heading for the fate of the Whigs.

Anyhow, calling women (over 50% of the electorate) a faction is to laugh.

Let me suggest something I like to call Rick’s Fundamental Theorem of Electoral Politics:

The voter is never wrong.

A voter cannot, by definition, be wrong in their vote. The people who voted for Obama were expressing their desire Obama be President; their vote was correct by definition. But the people who voted for Romney were also not wrong; their voters were an expression of their desire Romney be President. As it happens, the latter group was outnumbered by the former group this time, which is fine. Doesn’t make them WRONG, it just makes them less numerous. If five guys vote on where to go for lunch, and three vote for pizza and two vote for pad thai, the two guys who voted pad thai weren’t wrong, they simply had the minority preference.

The loser in an election can come away with one of two ideas:

  1. We failed. We did not convince enough people to desire our candidate/party to be in power.
  2. The voters failed. They voted for the wrong people.

Lesson 1 is correct, and can allow for better results in the future. Lesson 2 is wrong. If you come away thinking 2, you’re in bad shape. The Republicans walked away from 2008 thinking that the people voted for the wrong person, and they were horribly mistaken. NOBODY in 2008 voted for the wrong person; all the people who voted for Obama and all the people who voted for McCain voted for the right person. The reason the Republicans lost in 2008 is not that anyone voted incorrectly; it is that more people preferred the product the Democrats offered. So the Republicans were always likely to lose in 2012. Shit, I called that in 2009.

If they continue to fail to understand the Fundamental Theorem, they will lose again in 2016.

Human rights should not be a popularity contest. If 50%+1 think that blacks shouldn’t get the vote, or that gays and lesbians shouldn’t be allowed to marry, or that the executive should have the power to execute or imprison people indefinitely without trial, they are wrong.

I believe RickJay is commenting on the factual aspects of running a successful campaign, not the morality of the contestants.

I agree. But with due respect, you missed the point. You’re talking about something totally different.

People can be wrong about issues. They can be misinformed, ignorant, biased, be bad at math, or even evil, perhaps. But their vote is correct for its purpose; as an expression of who they want to win the election. They may be wrong about an issue; they are not wrong in their vote. To change their vote you must convince them why they should want your candidate in power.

Feel free to disagree with me, but you’d make a really, really bad campaign manager; it’s because of “they’re wrong” that the Republicans lost this election. It’s also why Kerry lost in 2004, and I can provide dozens of other examples.

The politician who believes the voters were wrong is doomed to be an indignant loser his whole career. Everyone who voted for Romney was right to vote for the candidate they wanted. Everyone who voted for Obama was equally right. The question the Republicans have to ask themselves is why 90% of black people don’t want a Republican president, why 70% of Latino people don’t want a Republican president, why people who live in big cities don’t want Republicans in power, why non-Christians don’t want them in power… are they WRONG, or are they refusing to buy what the GOP is selling?

I don’t believe black people, Latinos, or atheists are better people or more decent or more kind than white males. (I would say that, I’m a white male.) But they sure’s shit didn’t want Mitt Romney to be President. They therefore voted for the right candidfate. If the GOP wants to win in 2016 they had better find out what those people want so they can convince them to vote GOP.

See also, Karl Rove accusing him of vote suppression.

Me and mine win by skill, ability and righteousness, we only lose due to bad luck (treachery/cheaters/unlevel playing field), for our opponents, it works the opposite.

Ego defense 101.

I don’t think it is all Conservatives just the Radicals,they listen to Fox, and most all they have on is negative talk. Now that Obama has won they are really riled up..they claim to believe and trust in God but they( being like the Pharisees), think their thoughts and actions are the only right ones, at least that is my impression, my husband had Fox on last night, and they were so busy spewing their hatred it is sad, and I can’t help but feel sorry for them. If people don’t think the same way as them, they are upset, and already spreading gloom and doom!

The suggestion that voters “ought to” base their vote on economic issues rather than social issues is not unique to the right. It was the whole premise of “What’s The Matter With Kansas,” for instance.

All elections are about identity politics. The progress of computing power has allowed political professionals to microdivide and target the electorate in incredibly sophisticated ways. That is just a change in the level of identity targeting. If you lose an election it just means the other party was better at targeting and motivating their constituents, the idea that people should vote the way they think would be best for the country as a whole and not their own group is romantic sounding but it is hopelessly naive about how people really behave.
There are two ways to motivate a group of people, one way is to point out all the great things you have done and will do for them. The other way is to scare them about the other party. Since all of the core constituencies of the Democrat coalition have done horribly under Obamanomics the other realistic choice is to do a Count Floyd. Thus you had scare mongering and demonization.
Romney did not have to defend the last four years, so he could run a campaign promising good things for his constituent groups in addition to trying to scare them about Obama. That was a strategic decision, not a moral one.
I see nothing wrong with running a negative campaign except that it produces a very narrow mandate. The electorate has spoken that it does not want its President to buy companies and ship jobs overseas. Other than that Obama can not point to one policy that he has a mandate to implement.
I love the irony of the OP pretending that Republicans are pro-rape and then someone else saying that only Republicans mislead and fear monger.

3D House of Socialists? :dubious: :stuck_out_tongue:

[Joe Flaherty as Count Floyd]
Kids, that’s just scary, scary stuff. Just…spooky!
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Exactly. How dare the Dems scare people by quoting what Republican after Republican kept saying over and over and over.

Fear mongering is one thing; I think you can define “fear mongering” as trying to scare people into voting by saying things about your opponent that are wildly speculative or untrue. If you could find an ad or a speech by a Democrat that came right out and said “My opponent is Pro-Rape” that would be fear mongering, because that’s a far cry from what any Rep. really said. But to say “My Republican opponent wants to enact a policy where, if you get pregnant from being raped, you will not be allowed to have an abortion” was, in many specific cases, not the least bit fear mongering because it was absolutely true; they were on record as saying it. I don’t consider telling the truth to be fear mongering.