Fair enough. And it would be sad but understandable if the stores did start requiring proof. Before that happens, they’d best spend some energy cracking down on those damned Heely’s. 
Bullshit yourself. You said they were non-handicapped, and that they were abusing the the use of scooters, not that “they had no obvious handicap.” Since you are incapable of determining whether or not they have a actual handicap, your so-called observations are worthless.
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Since we seem to now be beyond the realm of factual information, it is probably best to move this to GD from GQ.
Colibri
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No, I’m not incapable of determining whether someone is or is not handicapped. Basic observation over a period of time can easily spot trends in use. I’ve already given an example of kids joyriding around. Did I know the kid driving it wasn’t handicapped? No. Was it obvious? Yes. It was obvious to other people in the store too because 3 other people complained to the manager.
Your premise is that of intellectual absolutism where someone has to have absolute proof of something to voice an educated guess. Given your criteria there will be nothing stopping anyone from abusing the use of scooters.
Imagining something to be true does not make it true. You cannot.
You have provided no evidence of such trends in use, aside from your own imagination.
Some kids joyriding around does not constitute an epidemic of abuse of the scooters by non-handicapped people as you allege.
I suspect very much that your guess is due to your own preconceptions, rather than being in any way “educated.”
I saw a guy on one of those scooters at a local mall-he was going in to the local buffet restuarant. I saw him pile his plate up with fried chicken, mashed potatos, gray, and… french fries. I guess he was able to use the scooter to his advantage, as he made multiple trips to the buffet.
Thank you, Ralph. I’m pretty sure the buffet did not supply the scooter. Therefore, it was one that he, personally, shelled out for.
I’m going to wager a guess that he had some kind of need for it, then.
And even if he didn’t “need” it, if he shelled out for it, it’s his problem, not ours.
I said no such thing, and I’ll thank you not to put words in my mouth.
My point, and that of several other people here, is that YOU CANNOT JUDGE whether someone is handicapped just by looking at them. Disabilities CAN BE INVISIBLE to the casual observer. That’s why we pay doctors the big bucks to diagnose us, instead of random strangers on the street.
You wanna gripe about kids goofing around on scooters, fine. Go start your own thread, and I’ll happily join in and back you up. That’s not what this discussion is about.
I do hope you’re not a physician. I am, and I specialize in this area. To put it simply and politely, you’re wrong. - Jesse.
Fascinating! We have people here who believe in ‘lucky stars’ but not in God and Christ. I heard this was a forum where intelligent discussion took place. Note to self, be more careful to whom you listen from now on. - Jesse.
Is this a whoosh? Have you really not come across the saying “thank your lucky stars” before? Do you really not understand that it’s a figure of speech, not a statement of honestly-held beliefs in the supernatural?
This works both ways, you know.
Yes, “some people” are incapable of making that determination. It’s called observation. We have observed “some people” post several times on this subject and their leaps of logic, jumped conclusions, and ill-informed opinions are available for all posters to see that “some people” do not have either medical qualifications or common sense to know when they sound like an opinionated loud mouthed fool.
I look perfectly normal, but I had open heart surgery three weeks ago. I need a scooter to get around the store. Unless I had my shirt off, you could not tell unless I so informed you.
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Yes, “some people” are incapable of making that determination. It’s called observation. We have observed “some people” post several times on this subject and their leaps of logic, jumped conclusions, and ill-informed opinions are available for all posters to see that “some people” do not have either medical qualifications or common sense to know when they sound like an opinionated loud mouthed fool.
I look perfectly normal, but **[SIZE=“3”]I had open heart surgery three weeks ago. I need a scooter to get around the store. Unless I had my shirt off, you could not tell unless I so informed you.[/[/SIZE]**QUOTE]
I think you should ask for your money back since your heart appears to be in need of a few more adjustments. Your compassion meter seems to be somewhat off kilter. - Jesse.
And how do you know the kids were goofing around? What divine skill do you have to make this judgment that I don’t? And does your doctor do a full spread of tests before prescribing medicine?
As I said before, not every one of my observations would be correct but I’ll still be able to see a trend. You act like the ability to observe someone’s behavior and make an accurate prediction is difficult when it’s something people do every day. Pain is something that manifests itself in many ways by demeanor, range of motion, posture, speech etc…. By observing how someone picks up a product and puts it in their cart you can see how fast they move, how easily they move, and how much pain is involved. How they speak to those around them can indicate breathing problems and general state of mind. Hell, I’ve told people to go to the doctor after hearing 1 sentence of a phone conversation.
This isn’t some random thought I decided to throw out, I’ve been watching the use of scooters for some time. It’s not a snap judgement made by glancing at someone, I actually spend time watching them shop.
Everybody I know who had open heart surgery showed obvious manifestations of it. You could tell by their movement that they were in pain and were generally weak. When I throw my back out it’s pretty darn obvious I’ve done it. People with bone spurs on their feet wince when they stand up. I walk with a slight stoop because of a broken neck. You can tell quiet easily when I move around when it hurts.
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I have very little compassion for busybody idiots who make judgments about other people when it is not their assigned job to make such judgments. Those people are ill-informed opinionated losers who interfere in the lives of strangers because they don’t have enough to do. Anyone who claims that they can tell that someone is in good health without doing a full medical examination is a blowhard ignorant fool who deserves to be derided and mocked. If I don’t have compassion for blowhard ignorant fools who force their opinions on others, then I am a sinner.
When they are already riding the scooter? Bullshit. You are just making up excuses for your disgust at the sight of fat people.
And when my wife uses a scooter, how would you spot her pulmonary fibrosis which has reduced her lung capacity to less than 50% of normal? She has gained weight from the Prednisone she takes, so I already know what conclusion you would jump to.