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Nor in Pakistan.
This would be the phenomenon that caused those replies, yep.
From what I can see, the statistics are presented in a way that the first column displays what percent of the respondents did not mention homosexuals as being a group they would not like to live next to while the second cloumn displays the percentage of people who did mention homosexuals as such. So 0% of Pakistanis, 0.4 % of Egyptians and 0.9% of Iranians mentioned homosexuals as a group they would not like to be neighbours with.
The reasons. Well for Pakistan, I can say that i) Pakistanis usually take a very “see no evil” approach to homosexuality, if you are gay and discreet, no problem, even if its perfectly obvious on reflection that the two “uncles” who live together across the street are more than just friends, and ii)m homosexuality and homosexuals are not as big an issue here as in the west. We reserve our bigotry for other groups, if the question had been about Indians say, I can assure you the answer would have been 100% yes.
Albania is majority-Muslim, and is going to permit gay marriage in order to smooth the way for joining the European Union: BBC News - Albania 'to approve gay marriage'
Re the odd results I’m guessing there was a local government sanctioned interpreter or intermediary involved in administering the surveys in some cases. I think of lot of that data is liable to untrustworthy unless you have a handle on the survey methodology used.
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And what evidence do you have to support that? Or are you simply against any survey result which goes against your preconcieved notions.
I’ve got to agree with Nava on this. Faulty survey method.
20 years ago, I was a survey taker for a survey that included a question like this.
“What laws do you think are needed on this lake?”
I’m not at all surprised that no one said:
“No drug smuggling” or “No walrus hunting”
The first one is already illegal, the second one just isn’t within the realm of possibility.
I’m not saying it was necessarily that, but that might be a factor (even though homosexuals were in the list given). Things like having to choose a limited amount of answers or not would skew the answers; also, things like self-limiting the amount of answers (“I’ve already mentioned the three groups I thought of fastest, I’m going to stop now”). And of course I’m not going to pretend to know how Pakistanis think better than AK84 - if he says it’s not a big deal unless they’re flaming, it’s not (by the way, what would the take be on lesbians?)
Pretty much the same. The streotype of a school headmistress incidentally.
… I’ve suddenly got a strong suspicion that the Afghans who found themselves dealing with perky little blonde Spanish Army corporals reckon they must all be lesbians… I don’t know what’s worse, that it’s a totally prejudiced thought or that it’s giving me the giggles.
Thanks for the answer.
Well, actually, in parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan, pedestry (and whatever the female equivalent is) is accepted.
Pretty famous couplet
"Aaaj meray mehboob ka dari nikal aiya
meaning my lover grew a beard
and
**[mera mehboob ganja hai/B]
meaning my lover is bald.
In each cases these are parts of a long poem and you know the narrator is a male.
It’s easy to claim that you’re open and accepting until you’re actually confronted with the people in question. (And it’s not just homophobes and gays either; just think about college professors who lionize the oppressed poor yet live in prim suburbs.)
Muslim wedding segregation fury as Minister and wife are ordered into separate rooms | Daily Mail Online An example.
http://mugaamer.blogspot.com/2009/07/sparklers-and-wedding-cakes.html And another in Jordan. Iraq also.
Considering that religious practice was outlawed and mosques turned into stables during the communist period, I wouldn’t take the Albanian devotion to Islam particularly seriously. Nor would I consider Albanians particularly open-minded about…well, pretty much anything. This is a rather pointless political ploy, since there’s no fucking way Albania is getting into the EU for at least, oh, I’d estimate five to eight years, minimum.
It seems pretty obvious to me that either there’s a typo in the results to this question, or a severe methodological problem.
I was going to look under the Documentation of Data page and such to see if I could glean more on how those polls were conducted and what might contribute to a methodology error, but I can’t download right now from that site.
gonzomax, looking at your cites I see some variation that doesn’t match your description.
The first link cites a Muslim wedding in London. The people who left were to be separated for the wedding. There is no mention of how the reception part of the wedding would be handled, rather this was concerning the ceremony part. Islamic services are segregated, so this was a traditional thing to do. Now I don’t condone it, but this article does not address what would occur after the actual ceremony, and whether the couple would be back together for the dining and dancing portion.
The second link is a westerner witnessing three different weddings in Jordan. While there was a portion of the first wedding where the parties were actually segregated by sex, there was also a portion where they were intermingled, albeit with the women in hijab. The second one was not segregated, however there were strict social mores on how to interact that left the parties essentially separated.
There still seems to be a jump from that to experimentation.
I would have to see how the questions are asked.
For instance, suppose you lived in an all white neighborhood, and said “I have no problem with blacks living next to me.” Well how would you know? If you never lived with one, or never saw one, how would you really know?
I am a gay male and I can tell you there are definately two classes of acceptance. Most people I met will say “I have no problem with gays.” And this is so, that is untill you show up at a party with a same sex date.
You see there is a HUGE difference between being gay and being gay and DOING something about it.
And it’s not just gay people. Some parents had no issue with their children co-habitating but insist on seperate bedrooms when the child and his/her boyfriend stay at their house.
When I had my own business I would do statistical analysis for companies and I often found that the questions were poorly worded and not relevant. One of my clients was the U of Chicago, and you try to explain to a bunch of stuffy professors WHY the study they spent six months on is invalid because they didin’t define their questions correctly.
For instance when dealing with gay people you can’t ask, are you gay, or bi or whatever, you need to say “Are you a male who has had sex (and then insert the specific name of the sex act) with another male.” If you didn’t pose the question EXACTLY that way, you got too many different answers to make your results valid.
I’m familiar with hijras. What are kothis? (I realize I could google the term or look to Wikipedia. But I feel I’ll get better information here)
I wouldn’t say the Hijars aren’t very respected in South Asia. They face a great deal of discrimination and violence. I suppose one could say the Hijars are respected in India like indiginous people are respected in the United States; people may think they’re cool and interesting and all, but they still face a ton of poverty and discrimination.
I have a post above that explains exactly how the question was asked, for this particular survey.