Are italian beef sandwiches popular outside of Chicago area?

I was reading the Philly cheese steak thread and I was curious if Italian Beef sandwiches are Nationally known like Philly Cheesesteaks are. I know I’ve seen a few places outside of the Chicago area that serve Italian Beefs but they are never really good and I don’t think too many non-Chicagoans have ever really heard of a Italian Beef…I could be wrong on this.

I’ve had a Philly Cheese steak and not to be biased because I’m from Chicago but a Italian Beef in my opinion is way better. Which does make me wonder why they aren’t more well known around the country.

I’m from Florida and I have no idea WTF you are talking about. Perhaps describe your “Italian Beef” and maybe I’ll know it as a different name. Or maybe not.

I could go for a Philly though.

I’m from New York and I had to look it up. Sounds good. I can’t recall seeing them under that name in the NY area or for that matter anywhere else I’ve been in the US. Philly cheese steaks however are very well known.

Me too. Fascinating–I would have bet that any sandwich with “Italian” would have had pork in one form or another, and if beef, perhaps tripe.

ETA: Damn, it’s 12:27 AM and now I’m hungry.

I clicked that link and can say that I’ve never had anything remotely like that.
And I’m pissed.

They are sandwiches with roast beef and peppers. I usually order mine double dipped with hot peppers. The link above explains it better though.

I can’t believe these sandwiches aren’t more popular, I think a restaurant in any state would make a killing selling these. The only thing is, they are very hard to make to perfection. I’m very picky with my sandwiches and I would say there is probably 5 places in Chicago area which makes them perfect.

You can also get them with a Italian sausage and covered with baked mozzarella cheese. Those are called Italian beef combos

Portillos which is a Chicago chain restaurant actually serve good ones and I think Dick Portillo opened one in California (LA area) but I heard the sandwiches aren’t very good.

The only place I’ve encountered them in the northwest was at a restaurant that specialized in Chicago-style foods which has since gone out of business. A pity, too, since their sandwiches were excellent and they sold bulk ingredients by the half-pound in case you wanted to make your own at home.

I’ve since learned how to make a cheap substitute with hoagie rolls, Steak-ums, au jus concentrate, and canned giardiniera, but it’s not the same.

I wonder why they went out of business. Portillos actually has employees taking orders outside due to how much business they get. There’s another place in Elmwood Park that has lines that sometimes reach a quarter mile. I don’t get the popularity here and no where else.

You could probably go to Youtube and get a decent recipe for one. The one you described doesn’t sound very good. Portillos will take orders and send them pretty much anywhere too.

I’m originally from NY and live in south Florida - east coast…the first (and only one in Chicago) Italian beef sandwich I tried was from Portillos about 7 years ago. I have since searched for a close approximation to that at various places locally and on the west coast of FL; mostly from Chicago-styled hotdog or pizza shops made by transplanted Chicagoans. Nearly a dozen different places, and while valiant efforts all, they were not in the same ballpark. Next time I’m back in the Windy City I will make a concerted effort to venture to the more fabled establishments.

I will note that there are quite a few joints that specialize in “authentic” Philly cheesesteaks down here that do quite well. They are quite tasty too, although I personally don’t have a Pat’s or Geno’s frame of reference. Agree with the OP though, it’s not an Italian Beef. Then again, the prep work and ingredients for an IBS is more involved.

So, with the right marketing, and a step up in quality, it’s entirely possible that the Italian Beef sandwich could be the next big thing. I’ve told other pseudo-foodie co-workers about it, but they’re not travelling to ChiTown anytime soon.

Unfortunately, it could be consigned to the same fate as bagels, pizza, Chinese food, etc. - subpar quality due to a combination of climate differences(?) and lack of desire for those who really know how to prepare the item to relocate, especially if they’re doing well in the originating region.

There’s Italian Beef places in Orlando that have decent reviews on Yelp…any Dopers that have tried one? I’m tired of being disappointed…

I’ve travelled a good bit through the US, and I’ve never seen them outside of Chicago, except in places purporting to be Chicago-style. So far as I can tell, it’s a Chicago food.

I’ve never heard of mozzarella on a combo. A combo is an Italian sausage nestled in an Italian beef, as I’ve always known it. That’s how Johnny’s, Al’s, Pop’s, Portillo’s, etc., does theirs. Never heard of it being covered with baked mozzarella cheese, but there are “cheesy beefs” out there, so I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some sort of “cheesy combo,” too.

Anyhow, to explain what an Italian beef is. It starts with roast beef. Top sirloin, top round, or bottom round are the usual cuts. It is then very thinly sliced–the exact level of thinness depends on the joint. Some slice it thin enough so it falls apart. Others enough to hold its shape, but it shouldn’t be much thicker than your typical deli meat. It is then dipped to finish warming/cooking in a flavorful beef broth/jus. Typically, you’re looking at a fairly salty beef broth, redolent with Italian herbs and spices, and garlic. It is then served in a sturdy Italian roll.

You can get it dry, wet, or dipped. With “dry” the beef is removed from the jus, excess moisture drained, and served on the bun. “Wet” it is directly taken from the jus to the roll. “Dipped” is wet, with a dunk of the whole thing into the jus. For me, “dipped” is the only way.

Furthermore, the other option, besides “dry/wet/dipped” is “sweet/hot/no peppers.” Sweet gets you griddled green peppers with your sandwich. Hot gets you giardiniera, a pickled condiment of olive oil, vinegar, hot peppers, celery, carrot, cauliflower, olives, garlic, etc. At its very simplest, it can be just basically be pickled hot peppers and celery, but more usually it includes the above. You can also opt for “hot & sweet,” (my favorite) which is the griddled peppers with giardiniera. Or you can just go for no peppers at all.

One last post for the moment, and I’ll stop. This link explains it very well and has a good recipe for a genuine Chicago-style Italian beef. Most home-cooked recipes for Italian beef have you use chuck or round and cook it down until it falls apart, but that’s not the right texture for Chicago style Italian beef. It’s not a slow-cooked fall-apart crockpot concoction. Those can be tasty sandwiches, too, but they don’t satisfy my craving for a Chicago-style italian beef.

Yeah your right, I guess that would be the traditional combo. A lot of places will also put mozzarella cheese and marinara sauce too. Usually baked so it has a pizza kinda taste. I always get mine double dipped with hot peppers. I never liked the combos as much.

Yeah, none of the places I visit do that. That just sounds wrong to me. The cheese is bad enough (in my opinion). Marinara on a Chicago Italian beef or combo I don’t think I’ve ever heard of even. That’s getting pretty far afield from what a Chicago Italian beef is, especially if it’s baked, too. Seriously, I’ve never heard of this. Baked?

I’ve heard of Italian Beef Sandwiches but I don’t think I’ve had one that could be called authentic. They are a lot like French Dipsandwiches which I have eaten numerous times. It’s interesting that two very similar sandwiches could develop separately in two different parts of the US (Chicago and LA).

So, what’s Italian about them?

Yeah they are not as good baked. As a kid I worked in a pizza place and I remember the combos with marinara and cheese sold pretty well though.

It’s the spices and marinating.

Interesting. Never heard of that, but I can see a pizza place doing that. It’s not something you’d find at an Italian beef stand (at least none that I know of.)

Primarily, I think it was because the style originated in the Italian community. The story I read once was that they were what Italian grandmothers brought to potluck. But they also happen to feature spices associated with Italian cuisine – oregano and marjoram.