Are Klaus Kobec watches a scam?

I’m beginning to see more and more Klaus Kobec watch adverts in magazines. The ones that advertise $800 retail, $200 your price, $600 in your pocket or something like that. But I have yet to see a KK watch in a store. So if in fact no one was selling KK watches for $800, then it would be false advertisment? So why are legitimate magazines taking their ads, and has anyone ever seen a KK watch for $800 retail?

Looking at the ads, they don’t say quart movement (no hope of being a automatic), they don’t say Swiss made or even Swiss movement, I have a feeling they are $20 watches. But they must be selling these watches as there are more and more ads. Finally, has anyone bought one?

Admittedly, this is from their own website at http://www.klauskobec.com however, here is some info about them:

An explanation as to why they are so much cheaper:

Where to find them (sort of):

And whether or not they’re Swiss:

Again, these are all from the company’s own website, so caveat emptor.

It is quite possible that one of the watch mavens in the public message forum group at http://www.timezone.com can answer your question.

As a follow up I would think this claim-

“Klaus Kobec and Zeitner have for years been universally acclaimed as two of the finest watches ever made.”

is rendered highly questionable by the fact there is not a single mention of these watches in the entire TZ message database for several years back, in a forum that is devoted exclusively to all types of high quality (not necessarily expensive) and interesting watches.

If you are looking for a good “true” automatic (not a kinetic) the Seiko scubamasters and alpinists for
250 - 400 and Invicta’s 80 - 200 are excellent values (invictas are an absolutely amazing deal for the quality!) Seiko outlet stores often have great deals on practically brand new watches.

Ask about quality automatics within a certain price range and the members at timezone will give you some excellent pointers.

See http://www.ashford.com for current pricing.