are men superior to women ?

First of all, Havel, you should NEVER EVER EVER say this opinion in front of a woman if you EVER want to get some again.

All through history men have been the ones in power. Men have been the rulers, the ones making the decisions. However, most of these men had wives who would advise their husbands on what to do. Many of these husbands, however, were raised in such a way that they wouldn’t listen to any advise of any women, believing them to be good for nothing more than housekeeping, looking pretty, and use in bed. Therefore the women had to manipulate their men into doing what they wanted. The object was to come up with all the ideas, but to let the men THINK that they were the brillant ones. I think that women are still adapting to their new place in society, and haven’t fully finshed emerging from the background.
My conclusion from all this: Women are the more clever sex because of their ability to manipulate the men, whereas the men are less intelligent because they don’t even realize what is going on.

BTW: Guys can be SO easy to manipulate sometimes.

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This is what I call the “get laid fallacy”. It occurs when one says, “Yeah, but if you believe that you’ll never get laid, so you shouldn’t believe that.” The affect of a belief on one’s sexual options is independent of the truth of that belief.

I only say this because I see this all the time (even on this message board), and every once in a while someone honestly seems to think it’s a valid argument.

Ok, back to your regularly scheduled Great Debate.
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What a cool site, thanks!

Let’s see, so far, women have invented:

windshield wipers
modern eyeglasses (Katherine Blodgett)

What else?
paper bags
Kevlar
the first bobbinless sewing machine
vacuum packed canning
permanant wave machine (for perms)

Hmmm…what have YOU invented, havel?

Ya know, I was gonna dig in and rip ol’ Havel a new asshole, but there’s no room for it! :smiley:

Havel, you don’t even understand what a debate is. Everyone of your posts uses the same logic, “If I think it, it is so. If you don’t agree, you are wrong.” This a mental state most humans go through at about age 2 (though we’re not able to articulate it as such) and again at age 13(though we’re unwilling to articulate it as such).

Most of us grow out of it. Many sublimate these feelings into later religeous fundamentalism, should they have a “revelation” during this period. Some simply remain childish, rather pitiful people the rest of their lives.

Honestly, it sounds like some sissy girl pushed Havel down in the schoolyard, and he’s just here to tell us all what a big ol’ meanie she is.

a list of female inventions will be a very short list compare the list with male inventors.
The list of male inventors will be endless compare it.

Many women don’t seam to be aware of this fact (or they denie it). This is however the fact.

Most women act as they are equaly repressented conserning these matters.

Men dominate in every field possible, everything from cooking to rocket science.

Women can thank men for the modern kitchen, buliding standar, education, welfare, cars, airplanes, roads, movies, computers, (I’ll bet that this message board is mostly construched by men)

I’m not one of those inventor and see my self as an ordinary joe, but It’s time you showed us a bit more respect

woman thought that they have contributed as much to our society as men have

woman later saw it wasn’t so, because almosy every invention and innovation was infact made by men and a scary amount of the structure that surrounds us is man-made

woman get’s bitter and desperate and say that their skill to manipulate makes them more clever than men
I only say poor woman

Again? What makes you think he ever got any?

Isn’t it ironic that its always the morons proclaiming their superiority, whether it be over women or another race? I’m serious. What is up with that? A good 80% of the time these people can not spell or properly conjugate verbs, use correct punctuation, or construct complete and coherent sentences (blame it on a hangover, riiight). And 99% of the time they have a pathetically poor grasp on history and the way it affects the present. It’s as if in their world, every day has no bearing on or relationship with the days that come after and before.

These people are supposed to be superior to me? Well then let me be inferior then.

I’m sure Ada Byron (countess of Lovelace) and Grace Hopper will be thrilled to learn that they had nothing to do with computers.

And this proves what exactly? No one has claimed that there is a one to one stoichiometry between men and women inventors, so this isn’t any newsflash here. Besides making the rather simple-minded conclusion that this is proof of women’s inherent inferiority, can you think of any other possible reasons for this discrepancy? Like, I dunno, the fact that women have been historically disallowed from participating in science?

I’m confused. What does being a seamstress have to do with anything? Ohhh, you mean S-E-E-M. Silly me. I keep forgetting you have a hangover. Riiiight.

And you act as if it matters. And you act as if you don’t need a dictionary when it’s quite obvious that you do!

That’s not true. How does the number of male teachers you know stack up against the number of women? Nurses? Stay-at-home parents? If these jobs aren’t “prestigious” enough for you, consider this: In another decade or so, the veterinary profession–one of the toughest in the medicine field, BTW–will be dominated by women. There’s a 5 to 1 ratio of women to men in my class, and its like that all over the world. So, no, men don’t dominate everything.

Is that what you want? To be thanked for things that you never did, simply because you (presumably) have a penis? That is sad. Somebody go get this boy a Scooby snack so he can move on with his life.

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I’m not one of those inventor and see my self as an ordinary joe, but It’s time you showed us a bit more respect

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I show respect to whomever deserves it and it has nothing to do with the contents of their underwear.

Perhaps because, until a hundred years ago, women were rarely, if ever, allowed into the institutions of higher learning to obtain the education needed to be “creators of knowledge”. What were men so afraid of that they had to keep women out? Perhaps that women are actually smarter than men?

Regarding your claim that women are more destructive than men, who’s started most of the wars the world has ever known, and who’s fought in them? Men.

Also, the vast majority of people in prison, especially for violent crimes, are men. That doesn’t suggest that women are the destructive ones.

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And I say poor woman that has the misfortune of being your mother, daughter, or wife. Good grief.

Where to begin, where to begin . . .

I’m just a humble female programmer checking in here, but I can’t stay out of this one. Several points have been made about giving women equal access to education and equal credits for accomplishments, so I won’t add much more to those points.
Havel, you said,

Would it surprise you to learn that 100 years ago women were regarded as a civilizing force on society who made it less vulgar? This same opinion was used to deny women access to education on the grounds that they would become vulgar. Of course there was also a prevalent belief at the time that educating a woman would also make her uterus shrivel up.

Science was considered unfeminine and unsuitable for women up until quite recently, and I’m not entirely sure that belief has died out. As a result, to this day, the number of women majoring in the sciences in the U.S. is still quite low, I believe. You’ve cited figures concerning the percentage of Nobel prizes which have gone to women. What you have failed to do is compare that number to the percentage of women working in the sciences. Here’s an example of what I mean: if I say out of 100 Elbon prizes, only 10 have gone to women, you could correctly assume that the likelihood of a woman winning the prize was 10% and the likelihood of a man winning it was 90%. If, however, I were to tell you that 10 people per year were eligible, and of the 1,000 total who were eligible to win it, 10 were women, that would mean a woman who was eligible was 100% likely to win (10 times won out of 10 times eligible), while a man had only a 9% chance of winning it (90 times won out of 990 times eligible).

As a computer programmer, not only do I create programs, I sometimes write programs which create components of other programs. To do so, I have to be quite well versed in logic, not to mention having a certain amount of creativity. As has been mentioned elsewhere, ENIAC’s original programmers were women. They originally calculated the trajectories for missile attacks during World War II using pencil, paper, and slide rules, and had the job because they did it more accurately than men did. When ENIAC was created, they became programmers because, in part, they were already familiar with the complex equations needed to do this work.

With regard to intelligence, a couple of years ago, I got talked into joining Mensa, an international group for people who are in the top 2% in intelligence. Membership is roughly half male, half female, with a great many people who enjoy that ratio. :wink: Am I smarter than any man? Of course not! I do, however, have the numbers to prove that I’m smarter than most. (By the way, we’re at nowhere near having 2% of the population in the group, so Dopers, get in there! We need more interesting people!)

With regard to

I’ll offer you the same terms I offer everyone else. I’ll respect you when you indicate to me that you are worthy of respect. Part of that entails respecting me, something which you’re apparently not prepared to do because I’m a woman.

As far as your grammar and spelling goes, may I assume English is not your native language? As a former translator, I realize it can be quite difficult to learn, and I am willing to make allowances for that.

Finally, you also said “I’ll bet that this message board is mostly construched by men.” I’m sure our own Tuba Diva might disagree with you on that one.

Are men superior to women? No, and women are not inherently superior to men, at least not when working on a grand scale. Individuals, however, vary.

CJ
(By the way, does this remind anyone else of a certain thread about how giving women the right to vote ruined the US?)

I would suggest, as a matter of course; that women can be demonstrated to have less existential pressure applied to them on average; soley for biological purposes.

Males reach their sexual peak at the same age that their brains are undergoing the second largest development since birth. The associated existential pressure becomes burned into the logical center responsible for abstraction; thus males are biologically designated to reach higher cognitive ages than their respective females. Whether or not a male uses this added ability to affect their environment does not strike me as being relevant to the observation that they will score higher on abstraction tests, as the existential pressure will undoubtedly fuel this combination of “needeing to figure it all, or else die” into the brain; when again, it is undergoing the most significant stage of reality perception and integration since birth. Falsifiable? Absolutely.
Do I believe it will validate my speculation? Yes.
Do I believe it is necessary? No

Eventually, it will come down to who has the most technology infused into their genetic code before birth; regardless of gender.

-Justhink

Havel said, “A list of female inventions will be a very short list compare the list with male inventors.
The list of male inventors will be endless compare it.”

I would like to point out that in the past, it is theorized that many inventions were attributed to men, but actually invented by women. The cotton gin is one example. There is a theory that a woman actually invented this mechanism, but that she was unable to patent it because of her gender, so Eli Whitney did so and took all the credit.

““I would like to point out that in the past, it is theorized that many inventions were attributed to men, but actually invented by women. The cotton gin is one example. There is a theory that a woman actually invented this mechanism, but that she was unable to patent it because of her gender, so Eli Whitney did so and took all the credit.””

I’ve heard the same about DNA as well; that it was one of the female lab assistants.

-Justhink

Aha! So that’s where I should hang out if I want to find the chicks!

I’d made up my mind to not post to this thread because the premise of the OP is to outlandish that its author is clearly not amenable to evidence. However …

To continue the tales of women who have contributed to great scientific discoveries. Edwin Hubble’s astronomical work on the existence of remote island galaxies outside the Milky Way was certainly facilitated if not made possible by the discovery of a woman astronomer. In order to show that a galaxy was outside our galaxy its distance needs to be estimated. The discovery that Cepheid variable stars had a connection between brightness and frequency of variation meant that by measuring the rate of variation the brightness could be determined and thus by a simple formula using the apparent brightness as measured on the earth and the absolute brightness, the distance to the star could be estimated.

This connection was discovered by Henrietta Leavitt about which the Britannica writes: * "American astronomer known for her discovery of the relationship between period and luminosity in Cepheid variables, pulsating stars that vary regularly in brightness in periods ranging from a few days to several months.

… She conducted studies of stellar magnitudes (star brightness) and became head of the department of photographic stellar photometry*[at Harvard College Observatory].* In 1912, after about five years of single-minded study, she found that the periods of the Cepheids were proportional to their luminosity, a relationship that became important to the measurement of interstellar and intergalactic distances. "*

Can some lady please show this putz how to use his spell check? Thanks!

Ah, DoctorJ, its useless, since, as we all know, women are better at language than men proving their superiority.

I suggest we change the measure of gender superiority to the maximum number of orgasms experienced in a fifteen minute period - a much better measure than the number of inventions.