Could you, possibly, provide some evidence to support ANY part of this? Sounds extremely speculative to me.
Sew what?
Havel, Please stop using banner headlines.
It’s alarming.
Speaking of evasiveness, I never got an answer from you to my question in your post about apocalyptic U.S. policy.
Your latest posting makes you sound like a cross between Nietsche and Elmer Fudd. Please cite a few facts (your Nobel claim, if you’re paying attention, doesn’t provide you much support).
DNA & Rosalind Franklin
“There is probably no other woman scientist with as much controversy surrounding her life and work as Rosalind Franklin. Franklin was responsible for much of the research and discovery work that led to the understanding of the structure of deoxyribonucleic acid, DNA.”
She died at 37 from ovarian cancer. It has been suggested that, had she been alive when the Nobel committee made their selection, she would have been listed with James Watson, Francis Crick and Maurice Wilkins.
Even if you could argue that the benefits of feminsm don’t outweigh the alternative, I’d say that anything women have “destroyed” is neatly balanced by the countless lives destroyed by men in war.
Does it count as superior if you only have one orgasm during the fifteen minute period, but it lasts the whole fifteen minutes? 
Hey Havel.2002 – Do you want to know why you aren’t getting any respect in this discussion? (Aside from having a laughably ignorant premise, that is.)
Go back through the thread. Count the number of direct questions you’ve been asked. Requests for citations proving your assertions, statistical breakdowns, historical surveys, and so on. Now look at your own messages. Count the number of times you’ve actually responded directly and specifically to these inquiries.
See the discrepancy?
You’re free to wallow in your own, um, lack of understanding. It’s one of the perks of the Western World – you can believe whatever goofball pabulum you like. The unfortunate flip side is that when you set out your table in the marketplace of ideas, the same freedom of thinking and discussion will subject your proposal to rigorous analysis and critique. That’s as it should be; it’s how we separate the valuable notions from the crap some people spew just to hear themselves talk.
You’ve offered only half-baked generalizations, a handful of out-of-context numbers, and a whole lot of barely-rationalized knuckle-dragging mumbling. Are you really surprised to find yourself being pelted with facts and logic?
Kelly,
Yeah, a single fifteen minute “Oh God, Oh…Yes…Oh…God…Yes” orgasm would count.
Any guys out there has been able to make that “squirt” part of the bouncy bouncy squirt last longer than fifteen minutes?
Kelly wrote: “Could you, possibly, provide some evidence to support ANY part of this? Sounds extremely speculative to me.”
I’ll do one better =) Since it’ll take me another two hours to download Adobe to read the research documents from education centers; I’ll give you my ‘totally wrong’ (?), yet likely statistics, that I’d guess on in relation to this submitted theory. Feel free to trash them if you’re inclined and have DSL! I’m just offering =)
Guesses:
Male suicide rates from ages 18-25 account annually for 45% of all suicides in America.
Male suicides from the ages of 18-25 have a 20% failure rate on the first ‘attempt’.
Females from the ages of 18-25 are significantly less in proportion to the entire population per annum, and significantly more likely to fail on a first attempt.
Final stage of cognitive assimilation and discardation is being completed (last stage of biological brain development before ‘stasis’ sets in, and deteriation begins).
Male sexual peak enters at approximately the age of 18.
Peak steroid production in males.
Sex distribution chart:
70% of females engage 15% of males with their sex distribution before ‘settling down’.
Reason: Undeveloped skills of simile abstraction, consistant with existential pressure… these would be the biological predisposition percentages before cognitive development and would be re-enforcement behaviors, de-selecting abstraction advancement for males at the final stage of brain synthesis. (autonomous indentured system - i.e. unabstracted)
Effects: Biological effects of touch deprivation, biological effects of desired gender reciprocation during sexual peak (i.e. conversational deprivation) and it’s biological effects - exponentially increasing the existential pressure.
Existential pressure forces the male (through these statistics) to abstract their indentured system as a resource, just before the brain is closing the doors shut… (better statistical odds that this will occur, since the population set which innitiaties it is necessarily higher.)
Greater percentage of male specialization, as the sexual energy is turned outward, again, at the last stage of brain synthesis, before it ‘hardwires’.
I’m proposing that males are more likely to abstract their own indentured system in accordance with consistancy; while the brain is still open for synapse ‘suggestions’, before discarding the unused ones. What this fundamentally suggests, is that males are more likely have have the process of how to abstract resources, hardwired into the brain not only with increased command level access for life, but also, with the consistancy that is condusive to external verifiability (less apt to use what works, more apt to use what is consistent - the ‘root of the problem syndrome’).
Conclusion: Females are much less likely to confront the existential pressure required to force system indenture abstraction before the brain closes the doors on synapse modification.
The only thing I can postulate about the sex distribution numbers, is that consistancy abstraction has inevitably been wired into the male geneic code itself, de-selecting females; because their selection process would diminish the existential pressure to abstract resources. Abstraction of resource is the visible phenomenon of the most dominant culture in society.
I would submit as an a priori law; that resource abstraction of one aspect of nature from another aspect of nature, determines the capacity value of exersizing intent with result; should one be so compelled.
Needless to say; I see an inevitable cultural shift of not exersizing this capacity, I’m not completely sure what that suggests.
-Justhink
Well. I’m certainly glad we got that cleared up.
Conclusion: Females are much less likely to confront the existential pressure required to force system indenture abstraction before the brain closes the doors on synapse modification.
The only thing I can postulate about the sex distribution numbers, is that consistancy abstraction has inevitably been wired into the male geneic code itself, de-selecting females; because their selection process would diminish the existential pressure to abstract resources. Abstraction of resource is the visible phenomenon of the most dominant culture in society.
I would submit as an a priori law; that resource abstraction of one aspect of nature from another aspect of nature, determines the capacity value of exersizing intent with result; should one be so compelled.
Needless to say; I see an inevitable cultural shift of not exersizing this capacity, I’m not completely sure what that suggests.
-Justhink **
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I’m not completely sure what that suggests either…
I was suprized by the suicide stats. Some of my predictions were correct; but the age distribution was waaaaaay off… It’s actually fairly even amongst all age groups, with the elderly being the highest, and youth being the second highest. All the other guesses hit the nail on the head. I’m wondering if the age distribution equality is a result of specialization channeled from the sexual frustration, throwing that life into a form of automation, until the specialization has ceased to interest the individual.
Again, my summary is that existential pressure is required for resource abstraction; and that this has an excellent opportunity to be hardwired into the male brain for various reasons (that kinda pisses all of us off individually). In a meta sense of selection, it stands to reason that the proportions of sex distribution at the sexual peak of a male, when their synapses haven’t had the final evaluation, must inevitably force this mechanism of resource abstraction into the human genome.
The coincidence, is that natural law grants ‘free-will’ to ‘beings’ with the necessary abstractions that predict the cause and effect mechanisms of another aspect of nature. If you abstract an abstraction of abstraction (which is basically what this existential situations creates), you have tremendous capacity to abstract the proper abstraction required for domination (divided over a large percentage of the species, these abstractions have emerged well with the ‘Western’ ‘genome’ or ‘custom’, that abuses a sexual peak during a cognition gap, by slamming existential pressure during that period. It is to say, that we are co-conspiritors of a much larger phenomenon; both male and female… in terms of the positioning of our species.
I added the suicide statistics in MPSIMS, and plan to add subsiquent statistics there as well, under the same thread.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=133908
-Justhink
Justhink: Never met an eleven syllable word he didn’t like.
This sentence …
Is making my ears bleed. I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
Thank you.
Hazel’s claim can pe paraphrased in this way…
“Men are better golfers because, at the most prestigious golf course in the nation, Augusta National, the large balance of all of the low scores were shot by men.”
Hazel, your “facts” on the Nobel can just as easially be used to indicate a bias in the Nobel’s selection process. Why couldn’t this assessment be valid?
Of course, I mean Havel.
Justhink:
The key phrase: “Should one be so compelled.” It may be true that this would give some males an advantage in things like abstraction tests, but such tests are hardly a measure of worth. In the real world, such abstractions are just as likely (if not more likely) to cause harm to an individual, or cause that individual to harm himself just on principle or on a whim. In fact the accumulation of abstractions which develops in people with that particular capacity will cause them not to focus on the real world gains they could achieve with this capacity. You say you do not fully understand the cultural shift against using this capacity, but I say that it is a self-regulating capacity, whose very nature precludes its use for one’s benefit, possibly by abstracting one’s own benefit so that it becomes impossible to achieve.
“”"Is making my ears bleed. I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
Thank you."""
Hmm… Ok!
For the purposes of this specific discussion, ‘abstraction’ means:
Finding a cause and effect system outside of the parameters of what another body considers themselves.
I use these terms loosely, because abstraction can be observed outside of sentient systems. We’ll just discuss it in terms of sentience for now (sentience: our form of human awareness explaining it this way makes me cringe!).
I am stating that males abstract better than females.
Males are more likely to observe ABSOLUTE machines out of what most humans consider the complex systems of personality and behavior. Males are likely to have such acute abstraction acuity; that they can posit sexual reward from a statement uttered by oneself in the bathroom while pissing. It is a fundamental understanding of how thinking affects behavior, and how behavior affects result. One can literally observe how a mundane sentence uttered in a social gathering by themselves or another runs counter-intelligence sub-routines that will reward them with sex months into the future. It is to suggest that personality is NOT well encrypted, because so much of it relies on logical inconsistancy so severe, that if they knew any better; they’d realize that it would be more logical to kill themselves than to speak or behave in a certain fashion.
I’ll give an example that hopefully you can relate to.
Imagine someone saying that they didn’t believe in anything, and then watching them pick up a potato wedge, dip it in some ranch, and relish it. To make a long story short: If they were what they said they believed, they’d be dead; not only that, but they certainly wouldn’t be picking up, dipping and savoring a potato wedge. There is literally no greater expression of lack of human value that can be comprehended. This person might as well have never been born, even more! they have ego’s! Even more, this ego has certainly been validated through sexual selection as being existentially positive. This person is going to bring a little joy and a lot of crap everywhere they go, and to everyone whom they meet for the rest of their existence. It’s a bit depressing to understand cause and effect systems for personalities so acutely, however; that doesn’t mildly compare to the devastation incurred when one realizes that sexual validation REQUIRES these systems to be counter-intelligently simulated… as if to add insult to injury. That very basic example; “I don’t believe in anything.” is one of the core algorhythms from which all conversational charisma is derived. What to most people, are gold dollars falling on the ground to scoop up, is to people with far-seeing abstraction acuity; the garbage they take out everyday… they literally have SO much of this s#!t, it’s a full time job just cleaning it all out. It’s the sludge from iron smelting, it’s the s#!t that one throws away by the tonnage every day without remorse. Depressingly, billions of people one this earth willingly (ignorantly) metabilize this stuff (with joy! of course!)for a living. I don’t think most people realize how easy it is for some people to act the way they act and to get exactly what they’re getting; and even more, that these individuals don’t do it, ever. It’s not a game; it’s putting a shotgun in your head and pulling the trigger, it’s aggrivated murder, rape and pedophelia.
Abstraction capacity is a function of logical consistancy. Logical consistancy is not something typical to human beings as a whole.
You will never observe logically consistant people doing these things: flirting, gossiping, story telling, critisizing, joking… etc… Most likely, if anything, you will be doing these about them; improving your sexual selection through these logical corruptions.
I have observed, for the most part in my life; that males do not engage in these behaviors even amongst their closets friends; ever; to a degree that is statistically abhorrant in comparison with females. Quite simply, females are not being given enough existential pressure (stress) to force the fundamental abstraction process of what it is to be human, to live with truth; to be anything but a walking zombie, not only in their own generation, but in the eyes of generations to come. I believe that the largest part of this phenomenon is biologicaly determined. People seem to think that they’d love to know all sorts of cool things like this.
It’s not cool, all you basically want is to be dead; nobody gives a rats ass about you, until you assult them. That’s not much of a life.
In terms of superiority, however; I believe there is an excellent case for males physically, mentally and emotionally. I don’t think females have any of these… most of their emotions come from having such low abstraction processing anyways…
I mean; if your thoughts aren’t consistant with existence; please do tell the point of your existence? You’re no better than people who burned witches at the stake; your whole being is irrelevant.
Someone suggested that it isn’t ‘polite’ to express ideas like this.
I’m sorry if it s#!ts on your parade, but to be honest; your parade is s#!tting on the entire world; so maybe I don’t feel that bad. If I didn’t think people could learn from this, I wouldn’t even bother discussing it. Perspectives are more valuable than any material, and there are many more people who can be helped by this, than harmed; both for themselves and in the lives of others.
-Justhink
Are you suggesting that it is more harmful to build a nuclear bomb, or to take the plans to ones grave?
You’ll need to articilate harm. One can dissolve harm by killing oneself; and wreak the very definition of harm by surviving, so I’m not sure where you’re going with this.
I was eluding to what the transcendance of that form may be suggesting. I do not hold the opinion that life is better than death, simply for ‘life’s sake’. D’you know what I mean?
That coicides with the trends of absolute systems collapsing on themselves. Is it your opinion that a life of known hypocrisy is better than no life at all? I’m not of the mind that humans buy that argument; everybody wants to believe something. That one thing: necessary hypocrisy; is a VERY downhill slope! Much of the struggles that plague humans as a whole are attributed to those who accept that veiw as Truth. There’s a lot of people who’d like to give life the middle finger if that’s all it takes, and that’s all there is.
Abstraction of ones own benifit is perma-linked with abstraction of lack of ones own benefit (being able to use ones life as a resource to abstrct meaning); that provides the primary groundwork for our self-abstraction. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but we all abstract ‘benefit to ourselves’. That’s why we can even communicate like this. To not abstract it; is to return to an autonomous indentured system; like the other animals we comment upon around us, on this earth.
-Justhink
This question comes up so often and just as many times I wonder why it does. Geneticaly women are stronger. More females survived during the first few months of live let alone years. After that - well, the sexes begin to differ. I believe we all know that. The difference I seem to notice the most is that women tend to nuture. When that happens you wish the best. When you wish the best you dont wish for aggressivness for that is not in the best interest of anyone, male or female. More men are being raised by their mothers these days (think about that one). And when the mother is strong and raise their sons, as well as their daughters, with firm caring love, everyone advances. It does seem as that when a father is present in the home and contributing to the raising of their children, aggression is a focal point. Conflict is the result. Duh – not good. As far as intellect is concerned, both male and female are equally endowed from the get go. Nature vs nuture steps in here. Both parents, male and female, have a very important role here. Fathers - please incourage your daughters in all aspects of life as well as your sons. Mothers - do the same.
Are men superior to women? Frequently, but there are other positions besides missionary 
I cannot relate to that at all. Putting ranch dressing AND relish on potatoes? eeugh.