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*Originally posted by Nightime *
**Justhink:
“Exactly my point. You do not believe that life is better than death, simply for ‘life’s sake’. This is doubtless a result of your superior abstraction capacity.”
It’s also common sense. Do you think it moral to create a happiness drug for slave labor? How about just dropping it on everyone; encoding it into the human genome itself; and just retiring to heaven… Exactly what kind of life is that? On the other end of the spectrum, what is a life of pure horror torturing and suffering? If one person experiences this; they IMO nullify everyone elses existential right (without extending into a long speech about why this is so…).
A more simple person would take for granted that continued life is a benefit.
A more simple person takes this for granted because someone has encoded it into them for their benefit. Vampirism is rampant in this sense. That some of it is automated; doesn’t negate the descisions being made in educational and media related institutions, and those responsible for counter-intelligence (the major goal of which is to keep perspectives away from others so that you may gain uninherent ‘advantage’.)
“Let us consider the likely endeavors each of you will undertake. A simple person will act out of a not fully understood (or even considered) will to live.”
Agreed.
“When met with a possible challenge, they will only consider the abstractions from nature which provide an advantage.”
These percieved advantages can be programmed into the indentured system; making suicide the requirement to break the habit, abusing their own system of existential pressure to cause them to work against their wills, or to relish in production with joy that demolishes many at their expense. This can be cured by making public suicide machines real; giving real incentives to clean up the logical atmosphere. These machines are more powerful than indentured system programming. They are a logically consistant application of technology and ideal presented in the forms of liberty and purpose.
"You, on the other hand, will be hindered by an accumulation of abstractions, many of which render other abstractions “counter-intelligent.” Which is more likely to succeed?
They are counter-intelligent! There is no success in recieving benefit from counter-intelligence; the mere use of it negates all value claimed from the system. Unfortunately, it’s used like a gang innitiation ceremony: “Aww… c’mon, everyone’s done it; that’s just stupid to talk like that.” Everyone has something on everyone, including themselves and the horror of confronting their own existential pressure at an act THEY, YOU, ME perpetrated, by suggesting that it may actually be the root of complaint itself.
“As you can see, the capacity to make abstractions is only an advantage up to a point, after which it begins to cause confusion and indecision.”
There is no indecision when it comes to acting in accordance with belief rooted in the fundamentals of human abstraction. It’s not like I think to myself; “You know, I could just hardwire this stuff and retire on all the perspectives I’ve accumulated by putting them into action, I wonder if I should do that?” I’m not claiming to have the current best or the best ever abstraction capabilities; but I’ll be damned if I couldn’t make Cardinal in a decade if I wanted. I know how to create religions! That’s my quirky specialty. I can do that without even trying.
“Also consider that the more simple person will immediately give up upon sensing an impossible challenge, while you, having abstracted everything, may find a benefit in the attempt.”
And this pushes the envelope for human abstraction, it raises the level of awareness for all of us. It also articulates abuse; which is a word that many would desire be confined as conceptually rigid. It is fluid; the definition of it expands as one abstracts more. Would you rather me be out there doing it?
“The results of all of this are that a great capacity for abstraction does not confer real world success or superiority, unless you define superiority itself as that very capacity.”
Superiority is irrelevant; as the most vast pools of it decimate the commodity. You’re either using nano technology (or something) to subdue people physically or logical technology to subdue them mentally.
The most powerful forms of these leave everyone dead, and only yourself to worship your own superiority…
It’s like: “umm…, so what did that prove?” I don’t think absent minded rulers consider that there is a logical cold war going on.
You don’t want to piss off someone less stable than myself, and that’s not attributing much stability to them =) If you’re going to be pushing people into the ground with your oil soaked thumb, one of the decompilers is going to get pissed eventually. People are so afraid of losing perversion to logic; logic does not like to see perversion dominate. One way to help, is to teach.
“Perhaps a more useful characteristic would be the ability to abstract what you need and leave the more difficult, dangerous, or uncomfortable parts of nature alone. You seem to think that people want these abstractions, but perhaps they unconsciously realize that they would reveal contradictions and are able to submerge them.”
Indentured systems can be reverse engineered on the spot; existential command can be washed as a child watching a parent, indentured to the the person who collapsed them. This is done quite often in life! It is not done by capable or moral hands. I doubt most people would even know how to prevent suicide or homocide during the capture. The uncomfortable parts of nature are work to be done; the rest is just play - it’s all play-time. There are only a few jobs to do right now. Individuals going off about their work ethic and how hard they work… they aren’t even doing the task at hand; that stuff is Disneyland. There are people who retire into lives like that.
“Contradictions between stated intent and actual intent are not even necessarily counter-intelligent, if the difference is based on lack of understanding and provides a benefit.”
They are still counter-intelligent; they still run the systems of determination that counter-intelligence routines run on the uninformed. A benefit for whom? Some 14 year old girl tied up in a closet being raped and photgraphed for the internet and films made for elite order and specification? The reason there is so little collective benefit, is because there isn’t a collective focus of logic. It is not channeled through media or educational systems.
One of the attitudes run by those in ‘power’; is that the “mob is a beast that doesn’t know any better.”. Umm… yeah, ok, great; so why don’t you do them a favor and TEACH them? The type of world we occupy today does not necessitate our complete lack of explaining why morality is equal to logical consistancy, and how it is discerned algorhythmically from such; and how to detect logical corruptions in behavior and phrasing; which lead to the non-transparency necessary to abuse an individual against their will (should they know better). Knowledge does not make the knowledge LESS true because someone doesn’t know it; they’re just not being taught! The types of stresses afforded civilization can be significantly reduced by providing basic logical discernment to all individuals.
Individual people have much different options now than they used to have; making Ghandi’s and MLK’s look like fossils in ‘non-violence’ take-overs; the existential systems of logic decompilation and counter-intelligence detection have been seething below the surface, evolving; yet people still refuse to change their tune. I can’t help but turn on the T.V. and wonder whether they’re living on borrowed time or if all decompilers are pacifists. The arrogance is childish; the bodies are adult.
I would point out that your arguments support a world-veiw of violent necessity. I personally see other alternatives. Sometimes I’m just too old to care…
In terms of females; there is no compelling reason why a female cannot be as intellectually fit as a male, if not more-so; though biological statistic and trend would make the cases in the extreme exceptional IMO. Levels of abstraction should be statistically higher in males; but it’s not anything that a decade couldn’t change.
As for the female tendancy to be more reassuring; these are usually counter-intelligence routines =( It places one in a position of worrying about hurting the female, moreso than being helpful; pleasant response and aggreement (simulated epiphany)is an act used to ensure that their primary value as homo sapien doesn’t endure any attack. It is very draining to be ‘nurtured’ by a female.
-Justhink