Another awesome one from me.
Read it, I’m quite proud
NO DLV, its a Book that has Amazons in it, at the downtown library in Sacramento, that I THINK is called Historical Warrior - Women.
Got that? Good.
Er, Mikey? Amazon.com is a bookstore. They have just about everything under the sun. I believe he was asking for the exact title of the book, or perhaps the author.
I know, and my answer says in few words
“Im not sure, since i wasnt prep’ed for a lecture, i dont have it off hand, but i spent so many days reading the damn thing i should have bought it.”
So until I go there again, and find it out, we will just all suffer together.
But, any history buff, will be able to back me on this one in the mean time.
Sorry all, I didnt have the citation ready
I once read about a fellow who was training counterterrorism troops. His comment to his troops was ‘If ever you find a female terrorist, kill her first. To have gotten to where she is in this male-dominant world, she has to have been far smarter, stronger, and more ruthless than any of her counterparts. She is the most dangerous of them all.’
This was a fictional character who said this, btw, but I thought the sentiment was apropos.
Mikey,
Are you sure this was history you were reading and not just a synopsis of Clasical mythology? Although the settings for many of Homer’s tales are supported by archeological finds, his works are still not considered to be even remotely factual in their details. Did these book give any sources outside of legend and mythology?
SURG, I was not implying that women evolved to be a certain way. I meant that any person who is physically outmatched is going to develop other ways to win. I would do the same thing if I had to face a 350 Boxer. I woudl use subtle manipulation, or deceit or something else.
My point was merely that women tend to be physically weaker than men and so do not resort to violence.
Though, I did have a girl go ape on me at a party in Highschool. She was trying to claw my eyes out so I puncher her in the nose. Unfortunately, it was my best friend’s girlfriend. Nasty situation.
Wow, lay into me now. I love it.
Um yes it was History, and yes it was all proof backed, becuase if it wasnt, this particular book wouldnt let it in.
The evidence on one occassion ws the burial mound of a Scythian warrior-female, who was buried with her 2 (yes she got 2) male slaves, who had big holes in their skulls (maybe she died before they were ready to go?) and bent legs, from inflicted deformation.
God people, help me here, LETS ALL GO FIND THE BOOK, this seems like a great topic, and for once I am having fun now.
P.S. Felice- that comment above about women terrorists is very true. I have been told that many times by some of my students who are now working for govt agencies. One of my students trainers was in fact killed by a woman, who did so during copulation, as best as the coroner could tell.
So yes the methods of “cheating to win” must be highly evolved, but fun…lol.
Man oh man. It seems that when women get in power, they are either making men sex slaves or killing them while doing it. Maybe a war run by women wouldn’t be so bad.
Low, resonant tones of Also Sprach Zarathustra…
Glitch, nice. For further reference, people should see first 15 minutes of Kubrick’s 2001: A Space Odyssey
Most people don’t know that the Chinese art, Wing Chun, was invented by a woman named Yip Wing Chun, a Chinese ‘nun’ who got tired of being the plaything of the marauding Japanese. What it lacks in physical strength, it makes up for in efficiency. She understood physics vs. limitations of physical stress points.
And most people don’t know that the art was virtually unknown until a University of Washington student by the name of Bruce Lee began to popularize it in America through his own art, Jeet Kune Do. Wing Chun always remained his nucleus; all the other arts he learned he added to this core.
OP question? Well, the Bushido weren’t women…
And, out of all the arts I’ve studied, Wing Chun is my favorite. Simply. Efficient. Really really discouraging to those who wish to harm with anything other than distance weapons.
More when I get home.
If we are out of our mind, it is for the Lord; if we are in our right mind, it is for you. 2Cor.5:13
Another thought on the “weapon as extension:”
Think of the non-war wars–sports.
Many of them deal with balls and long poles of one kind or another, and the object is either to steal the other team’s balls or penetrate their territory.
My brother and I talked about this. You know, the “all weapons are phallic” discussion. The only weapon we could come up with that wasn’t phallic was the net, and that’s not really a weapon.
(If you find an axe (or a hammer) phallic, I don’t want to know any more about it.)
Mikeylikesit, the Amazons, as a tribe or a nation, have never been identified or discovered. You may have read about one Scythian woman warrior’s tomb, but that does not equate to an entire nation of warrior women. I’m afraid you’re going to have to go look up that book. We’ll wait here for you.
Tom~
Surgoshan:
Playing Card: Rectangular slip of pasteboard or plastic, usually laminated, highly aerodynamic with practiced toss and able to penetrate the esophagus, jugular vein or carotid artery with little resistance. See various demonstrations on watermelons in the video ‘Budo: The Deadly Art.’
Quoit: Circular boomerang with sharp edge, used by Aboriginal tribes.
Tessen: The Japanese fan, unfurled with blades in each spine.
Manriki: The chain, small lead weight attached, can punch holes easily through the skull.
Shaiken, or Throwing Star: Small disc with razor sharp serrated edges, ranging from three to twelve points.
Caltrop: Ball with little needle-like spikes.
Nitro Glycerin: Highly volatile unstable explosive in liquid form.
C-4: Plastic explosive.
Thermonuclear Detonator: Many wired contraption containing much death at the touch of a button.
More?
Tom-
Before attempting to discredit me on my commentary, check my credentials, as well as the fact that I am an expert in this subject, as I participated in one such articles publishing during my undergrad work.
First off, Amazon is a misnomer, never was it their name, nor was it there locale. The name of these peoples were the Scythians. They werent 6’5" leggy blondes or Xenas either, they were on the average 5’8" to 5’9", which to the average heighted woman of the time (5’3" to 5’4"), would seem much larger. The sites I wrote about included “mounds” were armor clad females were found, and their male slaves, were buried among them.
The location of these tombs was all along the northern and eastern edges of the black sea and northern Turkey. Read your Greek and ancient history, the women from the North, and the fierce women warriors are one in the same. Read about the Trojans and the many battle in which men were felled by the warrior women, who fought to the death as bravely as any man, and much more brutaly.
If I can walk into a library and find one book that easily, and read it, BEFORE saying anything here. I think you should do the same. Research what you say to me, especially in my field of expertise, because such an attack on FACT is disingenous at best.
Some good posts but anomalies don’t prove the point. Does anyone have information that from peer-reviewed journals that says hormones do not affect behavior? As a rule when a woman is given testosterone it raises her sex drive. This fact is WELL documented. Contradiction without proof is pretty much useless.
This reminds me of a bit Drew Carey does about people saying that if women ruled the world there would be no wars.
Oh, yeah, like women never start fights over nothing.
(pantomiming picking up a phone): “Uh, hello? This in England. Why are you bombing us?”
“Oh, you know.”
While trying to find any reference to historical (as opposed to legendary) Amazons, I came across this fascinating entry in Dupuy’s Encyclopedia of Military History:
1818-1858. Reign of Gezo of Dahomey (in West Africa): This able and enlightened ruler greatly expanded his nation’s dominions. His principal instrument was a highly trained and efficient army of Amazons, comprising about one-fourth of the nation’s adult females.
Back to Mikey’s book; It sounds like the authors used archeological evidence found near the Black Sea to validate Greek legend. Many historians admit that Schliemann may will have found Homer’s Troy, but this doesn’t mean that all they have to find there is the grave of an Ithacan warrior to completely validate everything in the Illiad and the Odyssey.
I’m curious as to whether there is any Babylonian or Assyrian record of these female warriors, as I believe they had much more contact with the Scythians and their descendants the Medes, than the Greeks did.