Are parents overmedicating their children?

I’m putting this here because I want opinions in general, but I don’t want people to debate it so much. I want specific instances that people might recall that they’ve seen. I want anecdotal evidence.

The recent overdose death of a four-year-old girl in Massachusettes got me thinking. One, if anyone’s seen the picture of her (it ran in our newspaper) it’s just heartbreaking because the little girl was so cute and looked so full of life. Second, this could have been prevented had her parents done some actual parenting and not wanted to medicate her so that she’d be easier to manage. I’ve seen it countless times in people around my age group, and I was wondering if you guys have too.

So what do you think? Are parents nowadays (not you guys, but parents in general) not expecting their children to act like hyper little children and expecting them to be malleable and biddable? When those expectations aren’t met, are they medicating them to keep them under control?

~Tasha

As an adult with ADD, I will say they have been pushing these sorts of amphetamine based drugs for many decades. I went on Ritalin at the ripe ol age of 15, stayed on for the next 12 years. When I got off the med I was addicted to amphetamines, not a happy sight. Withdrawl, horrible mood swings, social issues etc…etc… I needed to rework my life. And that was almost 10 years ago now.

I believe the children in question are not screened in such a way to ascertain their exact needs. I believe primary care physicians - pediatricians - give scripts for amphetamine drugs like it’s candy. I believe the system needs to be regulated a hell of a lot more than it currently is. Do I believe some children need it? Of course, but I want the ones who don’t to be weeded out so they do not end with with an addiction, or worse. Dead. I read the article about the MA little girl and it sent chills down my spine. SOME parents in this country need to recognize poor behaviour and hyperactivity vs a chemical imbalence in their childs head.

Philosphr, if you wouldn’t mind talking about your experiences a little bit, I’m a little confused as to how amphetamines like Ritalin help ADD. Do you know or understand? I’m just confused about how they work.

If you don’t feel up to posting such personal information, I’m down with that too. :slight_smile: This is just a huge pet peeve of mine. A friend had a baby and at the age of two she decided that the baby was hyperactive and needed medication. I was like “Uh, no, they’re two. That’s normal.”

~Tasha

No I don’t mind at all. Here it is in as laymen terms as possible: Amphetamines release norepinephrine and dopamine from nerve endings and serotonin from synaptic membranes. In people who have diagnosed ADD they may have a dopamine or serotonin deficiency in their nerve cells which can cause things like inattention, hyperactivity, irritability and there is new research saying the hormones in what we eat and the dyes and such in the ingredients may be linked to this deficiency. Anyway, when you take methylphenidate (ritalin, adderall) which is an amphetamine these chemical reactions in your brain are normalized hense you calm down and act “normal”. If you have perfectly functioning brain chemistry and take ritalin, you get all ampted up, and excited. If you have a deficiency, you act “normal”…Many people who have diagnosed, or undiagnosed ADD or ADHD who try cocaine, often report feeling nothing at all, or just feeling mellow. The opposite from what a normal brain would react like.

That is how Ritalin, Dexadrine, Adderall etc…etc… work. My experience was a typical expericne for someone with diagnosed ADD. I took the meds and was fine. However, when I decided to go O’Naturale and get off the meds, I had a serious withdrawl. When I went to the Doc to ask the the hell was up with this…he said:…“Ooops, I should have titrated you off at a slower pace…” Gee thanks doc.

Essentially, a youngster should get a diagnosis, not a mother telling the family pediatrician my kid needs to calm down…but an actualy blood test, and diagnosis. I would never put a child of 2 or 3 on these meds. I would wait until they hit puberty and if things don’t change, get tested.

Thanks! I was confused about that, and I think you did a good job clearing it up.

~Tasha

I think that it’s all too common for children to get medicated for acting like kids. And the idea of medicating your kid just so they’ll be less of a hassle? Horrifying. But I think doctors prescribe this crap for the same reason they over-prescribe antibiotics. Parents demand it, and the doc thinks “Well, if I don’t give it to them, someone else will”. This is not to say that no child this young needs such medication. Probably there are some that do. But c’mon, four years old?? I mean, I guess it’s one thing to start medicating kids when they get into school if their education is suffering. Both of my older girls have been on meds for ADD, pushed for by their teachers. Well, my oldest daughter (who I resisted medicating until she was in fifth grade) hasn’t been helped by any med she’s been put on, mostly because she won’t take anything consistently (in addition to being ADD, she’s bipolar and has borderline personality disorder; she won’t stay on meds because she likes the manic phases too much; she’s 19 now, and out of my control). My middle daughter, I was able to stop medicating as soon as I pulled her out of public school and started homeschooling her. She’s almost 16, has been homeschooled for four years, and is definitely ADD. But she has coping mechanisms for it, that don’t include daily medication.

Thankfully, my youngest, who is 7, is not exhibiting symptoms of ADD thus far.

I agree mostly with your description of how the medications are believed to work. However, there is no significant difference between a person with or without ADD or ADHD in terms of their response to stimulant medication. Were it only true. The fact is, the stimulant medications used for ADD and ADHD temporarily improve attention and decrease impulsivity and hyperactivity and so on in a fair number of people – though by no means all – whether they have ADD or ADHD or not.

There is also no way to predict medication response in people with ADD or ADHD. This myth about the special response of ADD/ADHD brains has caused a great deal of confusion and misunderstanding, it seems to me, and it’s very widespread.

The purpose of the medication is at least theoretically to assist in managing the most disruptive symptoms as part of an overall treatment plan. However, for a lot of children it is of course the whole of the treatment plan.

I’m a bit divided on this issue because I think that there are a lot of cases where medication is just used to calm down kids who don’t really have ADD or ADHD, where it’s just prescribed because the mother is at her wits end with trying to settle down a bundle of energy (which is what most kids are growing up, imo).
On the other hand, my brother was put on ritilin when he was 5. However, I truely think he needed it and I agree with my parents for putting him on it. He was diagnosed with ADHD, could never focus in school, and was a general disruption. He was a smart boy when his mind was in the game, but more often than not he was just a hyper whirlwind of destruction. He would lash out and could get violent at the drop of a hat (I remember one time when both of us were playing in a box and he got the bright idea to BITE my stomach, it gave me a good size bruise and scab). He never thought about the consequences of his actions- He was always jumping out of his bedroom window when he was grounded, could scale fences in a flash, barefoot, and there were two incidences where the police were involved in finding him.
The ritilin did not cause him to do a 180, he was still far from a little angel. At the least though, it helped him to focus in class, calm a little, and think about his actions before he did them. And the not biting me was definitely a plus.

I’m torn here, too. And this is from the point of view of someone who is both a parent and who used to do family therapy (but not the prescribing).

As a parent, I’d be very reluctant to put my kids on any medication without sufficient evidence that it would help. In fact, when my son was an infant, he needed medication for GERD and I struggled with that, because long-term studies about risks and benefits were difficult to come by. On the other hand, if one of my children was endangering themselves or suffering with a condition and medication could help…well, I’d want to do whatever was possible to help them, and medication might be one piece of that.

As a former family clinician, I have seen both sides of this as well. I’ve seen parents who are very much against medication and that’s fine if they are actively engaging in other ways to help their children, as norinew did by pulling her daughter from a school situation which wasn’t meeting her child’s learning needs. Some did actively engage, others did not.

I also have worked with families who are similar to the ones in the story that the OP linked. These are families where the parents are doing nothing to help their children, and may in fact be actively harming them, either physically or through neglect, and they wanted medication to “make the kid behave”. I worked with one family where the 8-year-old daughter would have huge tantrums. I introduced a lot of behavioral techniques and the mother told me straight out, “I have 8 kids. I don’t have time for charts and rewards and all that bullshit. I just want her to be calm and stop giving me problems.” But this was a kid who would tantrum because she didn’t want to go to school, for example, and her Mom would let her stay home because it was “too hard” to be consistent and make her daughter go to school. No medication is going to change the parenting there, and therefore the kid won’t change because, at least in that case, tantruming worked.

It’s a torn issue with me too. I’m a parent of an ADHD child. My nephew was also diagnosed some years before my son was.

In my nephew’s case, I’m not sure he needed it. After he was put on medication, he seemed to not care about anything anymore. It broke my heart. We lived several states away, though, so I’m not in the loop on what he was prescribed at that point. I believe they changed his meds, and he has since grown up to be a well rounded young man, with energy and focus, so his story has a happy ending.

My own son was diagnosed when he was 7. It was his teachers who suggested it. My husband and I were very much against medication, and we tried the therapy route, changing his diet, etc. It wasn’t working, and we broke down and let the doc prescribe Concerta, after two incidents in which his spontaneous combustion came too close to seriously injuring other children. He would throw things without regard to those around him, and one incident involved a pair of scissors. We knew we had to do something, and the usual parent intervention wasn’t working.

It worked for him, but he became much more emotional. We drew the line, when the doctor wanted to up his dosage and also prescribe an anti-depressant, after asking leading questions to get my son to say he felt hopeless.

The Concerta really did seem to help, though. He’s turning 13 this month, and has recently been switched to Adderall. His dosage has recently increased, which causes me some concern, but we’re monitoring him closely as well. It helps that his new doctor listens to us and our concerns, and helps us deal with the day to day questions.

As a parent of a pre-teen, it’s difficult to know when the ADHD is causing something, the medication is causing something, or his raging hormones are running out of control. :slight_smile: I can see a less educated or less concerned or less active parent missing signs that something isn’t right, especially if they’re dealing with a teen or pre-teen kid. What’s normal teenage behavior, what’s flat out defiance, and what’s a lack of focus or memory? Those lines are not always clear.

Combine that with a doctor who has an open prescription pad, and it can be a fatal combination. But I simply cannot see medicating a child at 2 or 4. Even kindergarten seems too young to me. That’s when those who haven’t had a daycare experience are LEARNING how to socialize, get along with people, consequences of actions on a SOCIAL level. How can anyone know what goes on in the mind of a child that young?

Our ultimate goal with my son is to keep working with him and teach him ways to overcome his lack of attention span in other ways. Medication is great stuff, for a variety of mental issues, but I feel that it does no good if it’s the only form of therapy. If I break my leg, I can use a crutch to get around, but that doesn’t excuse me from doing physical therapy type stuff to keep it strong, when it’s healed enough for me to do so. That’s just me though. :slight_smile:

This is what I’m looking for. Is this common nowadays? Because more and more I’m hearing of parents who have an ADD child, and in meeting the children (while they’re unmedicated) I’m like “They don’t have ADD. They’re kids.”

My husband has something similar to ADHD. He manages to deal with it without medication, but I could see scenarios where he’d need it. I can see it where kids would need it, absolutely. I’m just wondering if people think that ADD and ADHD is a scapegoat and a way to get their kids to “behave.”

It drives me insane, mostly because parenthood isn’t supposed to be easy.

~Tasha

I think there are a lot of people out there who are unnecessarily medicated. My former roommate was on antidepressants, ADD drugs, etc. They changed her medication/dosage/etc every three weeks like clockwork. She kept telling me that without the meds she was spacey and couldn’t make herself be responsible but the thing is she had both of those problems when she was on the meds too. I truly believe she is being harmed by the people she is paying to help her but I will never be able to convince her to get a second opinion. I decided that she could do whatever the hell she wanted as long as it didn’t impact my life anymore and made her move out (and my new roommate is fantastic so it worked out for me.)

People with AD/HD have it to different degrees and some folks with it have comorbidities. While some people may not be as seriously afflicted and may be able to learn sufficient coping mechanisms to manage without, other people are seriously unable to manage life without the aid of meds.

There is a qualitative difference between the behaviour of ‘just kids’ and that of kids with AD/HD.

While undoubtedly some teachers and parents are jumping on the ADD bandwagon to get out of dealing with rambunctious kids, the fact is that for years and years, people with AD/HD who weren’t diagnosed or medicated didn’t get help and had pretty rotten lives.

And it’s precisely this whole fear of putting kids on meds thing that prevents some kids from getting badly-needed treatment. I lived with an adult with AD/HD who had never been treated and who was a mess.

So while I appreciate the shock value of a news story of a tragedy in which a little girl was lost, I would really really hope that it won’t overshadow the very real troubles of kids who really do need the meds to manage their lives and function like their peers.

Meds are always problematic; people can (and do) die from taking asa. But in the absence of better treatment, they’re the best we got. Certainly there are things people can try around diet and exercise and stuff, but for some people only meds bring about real change.
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Marienee** are you some sort of medical practitioner?

There’s nothing typical about the Boston case so I wouldn’t use it as some kind of launching pad to discuss this issue. The prosecutors are alleging that these parents intentionally defrauded the psychiatrist and SSI to have the child classified as disabled and get benefits. And then intentionally overmedicated the girl so she wouldn’t bother them. Which led to the girl’s overdose. They’re alleging that this, btw, was done to all three of their children. So this doesn’t sound like a case of misguided parenting so much as deeply pathological criminal behavior on the parents’ part. At least if the prosecution is correct.

I used it as a launching pad only because it was what got me thinking about the issue - because I know a lot of kids with ADD/ADHD type ailments, and I know a lot who have been diagnosed as such but never acted like they had it. Obviously, I’m not a medical practitioner. However, it made me realize that there might be a fad of having easy to manage kids via drugs for ADD. I know a lot of people my age who were misdiagnosed as having ADD when they either didn’t have anything wrong with them or had something totally different wrong with them, based on stuff their parents told the doctors.

Basically, I’m just wondering if this is becoming a problem - or if I’m just unfortunate to live in an area where parents are assholes.

~Tasha

I think there are a LOT of people who seek a pill as an easy fix. For example, I was feeling a little off one day and said so to a friend and she suggested I call my doctor - “there’s got to be a pill for that,” she said. And she was serious. However, there are many situations where medication is necessary. Still, particularly for kids, I think that the decision to medicate should be carefully considered - parents should ask lots of questions, find out what the side effects are or at least read the box before giving their child medication.

As a side note, I’ve noticed that a lot of “disorders” are now coming to light - and they’re things I never really thought of as disorders but things that happen normally. For example, I heard a commercial targeting women recently that asked, “Are you tired? Not interested in being intimate with your partner? You might have x disorder.” While I realize that such disorders do exist among men and women, I would imagine that any person would have problems getting intimate if they were tired.

Another example is sleep disorders in young children. My kid is 11 months old and still wakes up once or twice a night. I assume it’s something I’m doing or not doing (i.e., not adequately teaching him to fall back to sleep on his own) and I’m working on it. But I was telling someone at work about it and they said he probably has a disorder and may need to take something for it. He’s 11 months old for cripes sake! Sleep disorders do exist in little kids, but wouldn’t he have other symptoms, like breathing problems or night terrors?

Anyway, the prevalence of such new disorders, or recently-labeled disorders, has been bothering me for a while. I think some are genuine, but others seem a bit hard to diagnose or too nebulous to really be disorders. Okay, I’ll step off my soapbox.

Well, what a lot of people don’t seem to realize with situations like this, is there are actually two separate questions: One, is it a valid disorder? Two, even if it is, does that mean we need to medicate it? Doctors and drug companies are pushing “easy fixes” at us so hard and fast that a lot of people don’t stop to question whether a treatment is necessary. For instance, when my oldest daughter, now 19, was little, she had chronic ear infections. Every single time she got one, she was given antibiotics. Now, though, pediatricians are beginning to realize that this may be harming more than helping (by building antibiotic-resistant bugs), and are taking more of a wait-and-see-if-it-clears-up-on-its-own attitude. Your little one might have a legitimate sleep disorder. But if it can just be waited out, or addressed with behavioral modification, then you don’t need to medicate it.

That’s exactly my take on it.