Are people parasites?

After all the things I have read about medicial advancements, overpopulation and the ravages we’re making on the planet, I think that people are the world’s greatest parasite.

For the most part, we use natural resources indiscriminantly and belive they will never exhaust.

Everyone thinks it’s their right to reproduce, so as a unit, we grow akin to cancer and continue to need more sustenance.

With the new medical advents, we are living longer…and therfore consuming more.

New technological advances serve to either increase the resource extraction process or develop new items that also require more materials. The disposal of the now old materials can be toxic and also cause more damage.

I’d like to think that people are part of a symbiotic relationship with the Earth, but I don’t seem to find anything that we give back (besides carbon dioxide).

Do people, in the aggregate, have any redeeming qualities to the planet?

“Joshua conquered the Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perrizites :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:, the Hivites, and the Jebusites.” (Joshua 12:7) Oh, those Jebusites…when will they learn?

As for the human race, we do convert oxygen into carbon dioxide, which is helpful to the vegetation.

Also, we can use some of the waste we make for compost (provided we’re talking about non-toxic waste)…of course, in doing so, we aren’t really giving anything more back to the Earth than we take.

Well I believe people are parasites purely in reference to the Earth.
But the bottom line is… The Earth aint goin nowhere. I’m not so sure I could say that about the human race.:frowning:

“There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague. And we are… the cure.”

:smiley: I’ve always wanted to say that… Ducks the rotten fruits and vegetables currently on a trajectory intersecting her body Okay, okay!

D&R

We most certainly are. But as Shakes pointed out it should be ‘Save the Humans’ not ‘Save the Earth’.

That would make an interesting bumper sticker…

Life feeds on life.

We could just as easily be described as something that the Earth is doing to itself.

I blame evolution.

I blame my parents.
They never loved me ::sob, sob::

no, we aren’t, movies are not philosophy. you may be a parasite, not everyone is.

well sorry for being offended. but calling an artificial race classification a parasite will get you in hot water (all blacks are parasites, ect). my race is human, and I dislike you badmouthing us.

any tiger that would like to come and chalenge me, I will accept, useing all the power of my race against all the power of his race.

humans are good at what they do. we did not cheat to get where we are. one can not cheat in nature, we are not a special animal. we just do what we do better than any other animal. for now, we are the winner. we aren’t doing anything diffrent than any other animal on earth is, we just are doing it well.

Here are dictionary.com’s definitions of a parasite (emphasis mine):

So in the biological sense, no - we’re still a step above E. Coli. While humans are often wasteful, that doesn’t automatically make us parasites.

Although it can be argued that the Earth is not an organism in itself, since it is composed of many other organisms (a macro-organism?), it is our host. We derive everything we need to survive from it, as does everything else.

Humans are wasteful, but if we don’t give back anything (excluding CO2) to our host, doesn’t that automatically make us a parasite?

Interesting argument, ice1000. After we die - and assuming we aren’t cremated - our bodies return to the earth in the form of nutrients (that whole Circle of Life thing). So you could argue that we give back to the Earth in that way. And since this is the only way that just about every other species contributes to the Earth (excluding CO2/O2 production), I’d say almost everything is a parasite.

Good point. Almost everything is a parasite, but they are part of a symbiotic relationship. Other species seem to take in less than they consume. Humans seem to consume more than they give.

Hey, have you all forgotten Arbor Day? We plant trees, and there are organizations set up to help wildlife and protective services to help preserve national forests and other such organizations. The human race is wasteful, yes, but we don’t just sit there and tear up every acre of land in the world and then salt it so it’s never any good. Sure, we cover a lot of it with concrete and parking lots, but there are still some out there that help “give back.” Recycling programs, for one, and I personally always take a dump out in the woods. It may not be much, but it’s my way of giving back to Mother Nature.

“I personally always take a dump out in the woods. It may not be much, but it’s my way of giving back to Mother Nature.”

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A moment or two reflecting on this might show you the error here. However, in case it doesn’t, you might consider that symbiotic relationships are either zero-sum (everything produced is consumed) in which case the excess produced by other life will be taken by us, or they aren’t zero sum, in which case both parties of the symbiotic relationship come out ahead relative to their surroundings (more termites means more bacteria in their digestive tract eating wood, means more termites can live be made, et cetera). Anything else wouldn’t be a symbiotic relationship.

So the simple fact that we take more than we give doesn’t make us parasites. We need to try to take more than we can. I’m not sure this is so easily demonstrated.

Humans are the only creatures that have intentionally “given back to the Earth”. Other living things, be they animal, plant, or protist, are unconcerned with “harmony” or “symbiosis”. They simply take what they can until they die.

What do mice, for example, “give back to the Earth”? Well, they’re an important food source for other animals, but mice don’t go strolling into the jaws of cats, wolves, owls, etc. because they consider it their purpose in life. A mouse is concerned with eating, mating, and avoiding being eaten. The role of mice in the ecosystem is forced upon them by predators. It is a function of what predators have found mice to be good for, not a role that they accept and strive to live up to.

Natural selection has resulted in mice developing characteristics to help it avoid being eaten, but more significantly led it to breed at rates that allow it to keep up with predator attrition. Sometimes environmental conditions permit mouse population explosions (most spectacularly in Australia following wet spring weather). When this happens, mouse populations soar to absurd levels. They deplete their food sources, and die back to sustainable levels. Again, Nature’s Harmony" is something the various agents in the ecosystem enforce upon each other, not some sort of ethical code by which they circumscribe their own actions.

Various life forms exploit and modify their environment in ways that benefit them. If other life forms can share that benefit, then they do so. If they cannot, they die. When a beaver builds a dam, it benefits various plants and animals that do well around ponds. Animals that don’t, die or leave. Before long, all that’s left is a “harmonious ecosystem” of “symbiotic organisms”.

Plenty of organisms flourish in symbiosis with Man. I dare say there are many more dogs, cats, cattle, pigs, goats, corn, wheat, and rice plants, and so on, in the world than there would be without humans (to the extent that one views the dispersion of seeds as something that mice “give back to the Earth”, I think we clearly have them beat). Outside of intentional human cultivation, I would venture that human expansion has boosted the populations of numerous “prey animals” by reducing predators and increasing food supplies (including both human cultivation and waste), these would include various rodents, pigeons, certain songbirds, etc.

The negative human impact on “biodiversity”, therefore, is not a simple matter of humans “not giving back as much as other creatures.” Rather it is a function of humans prospering dramatically by virtue of being able to modify their environment in ways that other creatures could only dream of. Human expansion makes the global environment more uniform, and thus less suitable for species with a different optimal environment. Humans aren’t “draining” the Earth, so much as they’re homogenizing it.