Guys guys, I think we’re all missing the point here. The real question is whether or not a trained fighter could beat a 90lb chimp 
When I worked at a bar we had one bouncer who’s father was a golden gloves boxer, and his son took after him, as well as having learned a great deal from his dad, and he trained to boot.
He is tall, though not exactly huge. But that guy could do things that amazed me. He could punch astoundingly hard in a short distance, and I saw him jump tables and rails with very little effort.
And he was mean, a very dirty fighter, taken to the sorts of tricks mentioned by others. “I just want to talk this over, ok?” WHAM.
Had another little guy(5’ 6", 140lbs tops) that worked with me, and he was not much of aa fighter(I’m not either, but even I was better than him), but he had a mean tricky streak a mile wide.
He wanted to fight a guy that is about 6’6" who was giving him lip. So he said “pardon? I cant hear you” and tilted his ear towards the guy. Repeating that, and he got in closer each time. At that point he had his right hand shielded from the guys view and he twisted and punched upwards, catching tall guy under the chin.
Mean and cunning wins the day.
I’d put money on a boxer having more of the attributes needed to be a bastard than every Joe Friday. And then you stack his training on top of that.
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The fight ain’t never gonna go to ground because the pro boxer will knock the big tough guy out with one punch. That’s if he’s feeling charitable.
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Oh.
Well then, Yes. I’m totally in agreement with you.
But I thought this was about fights, not ambushes or people using weapons to attack boxers who are looking the other way.
I’ll have to change my answer then. I’ll even use myself as an example:
I personally, by myself, could beat any pro boxer you care to choose in a “fight”. (I will reserve the right to train for a couple months beforehand however, because I am currently not very well-versed on the use of automatic weapons.)
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I’ll agree with whoever first mentioned this upthread: this is just silly, at this point. There are so many variables and different definitions of what constitutes a “fight” that it’s impossible to make any meaningful determination about this.
It’s a lot like arguing about the existence of God when no theist will define precisely what he/she means by “God”.
Wow, I can’t believe this topic has enough people to take both sides. Only ignorant people think a bigger fighter wins every time.
Here’s a simple example: if the untrained fighter was that good, they would be making real money in the ring. That they aren’t means they aren’t, and they’re still drinking beer with their welfare money and taking out their frustrations in bar fights.
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What kind of bars are you hanging out in, that people are attacking strangers from behind for no reason?
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Yah.
You hang out in a Guam squid bar wearing a kilt, you’re gonna see some people fucking with you. You’re either the toughest MF this side of Edinburgh, or… something else. Something… um… let’s just say… a person who chooses to be a walking wardrobe malfunction.
Nothing wrong with a kilt, mind you, but one needs to think about where they’re going before they choose their outfit.
Well, I am definitely not the latter. Don’t really consider myself the former either, but I just don’t give a fuck what anyone thinks of me. That kilt has gotten me more tail than Carter’s got little pills. 
[inflated ego] After that, the bartender told people to shut up, or GTFO when someone made an inappropriate comment to me during the couple of weeks I was there.[/inflated ego]
No one ever considers themselves the latter.
IMHO, unless you are Axel Rose, attending some sort of Highland games, or just came from marching in a parade with a police or fire department’s drum & fife corps, you really have no business wearing a kilt any more than you do a pith helmet.
My Dad wasa Golden Glove champ in his youth, fought exactly one “pro” bout.
Fast forward, many many years. I am now in my early 20’s, working as a bouncer/doorman at a niteclub where my Dad knew the owner. Someone calls me out to the parking lot, sez some guy is in a fight with my Dad.
Now my Dad is then in his upper 50’s, and out of shape. The other dude is half his age, taller, in better shape. So, I am concerned. But I watch as the younger dude takes swing after swing at my dad, only to hit air every time as my dad ducks and weaves. Dad has his hands in the classic boxer pose, but isn’t even hitting back, just blocking. Just as I am geeting there, the dude fires off a roundhouse, which dad dodges, so the dudes hand hits a car side mirror. Ouch!
The younger dude was known as a bar-fighter, and a mean drunk. He picked the wrong target.
Yeah…the side mirror of a Buick!
That former Hell’s Angel guy was Chuck Zito who happens to be a former Golden Gloves boxer himself besides being a Hell’s Angel.
So sayeth the person who can apparently not rock a Utilikilt. Sorry Studman, but the batting average does not lie.
Since many responses are a drift from OP, I’ll add my two cents. Beer bottles, wrestlers, martial artists (who were dismissed too easily) were briefly discussed compared to boxers acting defensively and offensively as boxers. I assure you, that if I had first chance, I would kick his balls through his brains. Depending on circumstance, I would further injure him with bar stools, whatever. Thereupon I would run my ass off for the hills.
If he kicks me in the balls, I wake up, because you can’t die in dreams without waking up.
TMZ has the video here. To clarify, the man who Roger Huerta beat to a pulp is none other than Rashad Bobino, a former University of Texas linebaker. Bobino is a big man, and at least he was capable of knocking around a much smaller female from behind. He and Huerta square off face-to-face (Huerta gave him the dignity of facing him like a man, rather than attacking from behind, as Bobino did to that girl) and within like 30 seconds Bobino is laying on the ground, probably sincerely wishing that his mother had never met his father.
By the way, I LOVE the ridiculous scenarios people are coming up with here. “Well, if the bully has 100 lbs on the pro… and six guys backing him up… and a bottle of jack in one hand and a board with a nail in it in the other… and an UZI in his back pocket… and a highly contagious bubonic plague infection… he could probably take the pro.”
Just to make the scenario clear again, because I haven’t said it on this page of the thread yet: we’re not talking about them fighting in a ring, or an open space.
It’s a crowded bar. Neither guy has any real room to move his feet much at all. The two guys square up to each other, right up against each other. Suddenly one of them throws a punch, which the other is expecting and ready for. No weapons, no sucker punches, no 3rd parties, neither one is drunk. One guy is huge: say 6’4, 250lbs, big ass muscles, long reach, in very good shape, frequently gets into bar fights and almost always wins them, is used to taking hard amateur punches. The other guy is 5’6, 140lbs, much shorter reach, but is a top-level professional boxer.
The consensus so far in this thread, which you’ve just expressed there, is that “obviously the pro boxer will win it comfortably”. I still have reservations about this to be honest. I don’t think people are considering how vast the size differences are here. Sure the boxer might get in a couple of punches that will hurt the big guy, but after a couple of seconds I think there’s a good chance he’d get wrapped up, thrown around, pinned down, beaten on, etc. I’m just not sure having super-hard punches makes up for giving away 10 inches and 110lbs in a tightly confined space.
And like I said, this isn’t purely academic because Ricky Hatton has said that in his prime there were a lot of big guys that tried to fight him in pubs and he’d always decline, “because I know I could win easily”. Maybe he could. But against the hypothetical big guy I’m imagining, in the scenario I’ve outlined, I’m not sure he could.
Most bar fights never go to the ground anyway. Like so many others have said this is really not an issue worth speculating about. It’s like asking if some college team could beat a professional team. Being a professional athlete in any major sport means you are so much better, more dedicated, and more capable than the average untrained person that they would not stand a chance in any fair competition. Yes, Floyd Mayweather could probably be defeated if he were hit by a car, shot in the back, or unexpectedly smashed over the head with brick; but under any normal circumstances, he would crush the average really strong guy. There is no point nursing this delusion that some cunning bar thug is gonna confront a professional boxer, then get him to drop his guard by pretending he doesn’t want to fight. These guys train for years to not allow someone to get the jump on them. You really think it would be as easy as just tricking them into submission?
This is particularly true in the case of Manny Pacquiao. He’s not just some top-level boxer, he is one of the greatest boxers ever. He’s so much better than other trained, great boxers that the distance between him and some “really great” bar fighter is great enough that he would win 9999 out of 10,000. The only reason it would even be close is if the boxer decides he’d rather avoid a costly lawsuit from a widow.
Well, in the Huerta vs. Bobino fight, Rashad Bobino measures in at 5’11, 230 lbs, according to his Texas Longhorns stats, and he’s a linebacker who is probably familiar with having big, beefy men smashing into him while running at top speed.
Roger Huerta is 5’9 and about 155 lbs. That’s a sizable difference. And in all fairness, their fight did ‘go to the ground’, in the sense that about 10-15 seconds into it, Bobino was laying on the ground in a bloody heap, and Huerta was walking away.
what you just said isnt a street fighter. Its a plain old fashioned gutless thug. All these idiotic morons say streetfighters will sucker punch you, use a weapon etc that my friend isnt a street fighter that is a gutless criminal. Real men who are sure of themselves fight with dignity and respect, one on one and when the other is ready and has a fighting chance. Ive read so many posts by people saying ‘’ well the street fighter could pick up a weapon or hit him when he’s not looking ‘’ That’s not a street fighter at all. Thats a coward.
You make some good points as do many on here and like others some are just stupid. What if the other guy knows how to wrestle? but what if the boxer knows how to wrestle? too many people are only giving one or the other type scenarios. It just depends. Every fight is different. Fights can break out in a split second{s} It’s not always going to be toe to toe fist fight or a wrestling match. It could be both. It could just be one or the other.Just the way it goes down. Fight, flight or freeze can happen too. Ive been in many fights and experienced it all.
“Real men” and men with dignity and respect don’t engage in street fights at all.
actually u dont get it he does and youre the idiot. Plain and simple.