Former world champ zab judah got into a street fight and didnt look one bit like a world champ tho admittedly it was crowded. As I said every fight is different and are the cirumstances. It’s not like theyre laced up with gloves and a mouth piece with a ref in the ring as the bell sounds.
Mayweather would humiliate his opponent with his evasiveness and flashing punches and Pacman would just plant his feet and annihilate whoever stood against him.
It’s not impossible for an untrained person to beat a high-level professional boxer without sucker-punching them, but the likelihood is so slim that you’d need to have more brawn than brains to even consider it. If you don’t know your opponent is as highly skilled as he is, the likelihood is you are going to seriously underestimate their violence potential and step right into a ko.
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Don’t post like this in this forum, however.
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I think trigeminal is what I was referring to:
From http://www.russbo.com/Health-FAQ/knockout-punch.html
I don’t know if that site is a definitive source, and it isn’t where I originally heard it, but that pretty much echoes what a karate teacher told me almost 30 years ago as a lad. He didn’t put it so scientifically but ran his finger along his jawline where the trigeminal nerve runs and said to hit someone there if I wanted to knock them out because it will pinch a nerve between their jaw and my fist and they will just drop. Since then I probably heard the same thing a dozen times from various sources like ‘the science of boxing’ type TV shows.
I think a similar explanation was given for how George Bush blacked out from a nerve in his throat being pinched by an awkwardly-swallowed pretzel and that obviously didn’t involve any brain trauma (no political jab intended) or a neck snap.
Hey, welcome to the boards fighter1985. I like the way you come out swinging. Anyone perceptive enough to call me an idiot by their second post is alright in my book. Your arguments in the thread have been completely moronic so far, but I like your style.
So… you got nothing then. Thanks for sharing.
The blow that knocks a person out is most often the one that isn’t seen by the recipient. It hardly matters where on the head it lands if the receiver isn’t ready to roll with it and absorb or deflect its impact.
I think George just had trouble talking, chewing and breathing at the same time and had a sensory overload.
I know a relatively large table tennis player that could beat up a small professional table tennis player, so I think the big brawler could give the small professional boxer a whipping. :rolleyes: But really, if a smaller professional basketball player was going one on one against a 7 ft. joe schmoe, the pro would easily win because he’d be stealing the ball away on the dribble most every time, unless it was half court and there was a special rule that the 7 footer could just stand there next to the basket without moving the entire time.
In 2001, German boxer and former Flyweight world champion Regina Hallmich boxed in a televised fight against TV entertainer Stefan Raab. Raab is a big and reasonably fit man whereas Hallmich is a petite woman by any standard (5 ft. 3 in., ca. 112 pounds).
Hallmich who took the fight seriously wiped the floor with Raab and broke his nose. The referee thought about stopping the fight (which was intended to be a zoo-like event) because the TV guy was hurting badly.
There is footage of the fight on Youtube (starting at about 3:00).
Impossible, according to SDMB scholars a 6’2" bulky bar fighter would destroy Mayweather. :rolleyes:
Was Raab taking it seriously?
Absolutely. His broken nose was for real. Raab hosts a show in which he himself competes in all sorts of athletic events against contenders (who can win up to 2,5 million Euros if they beat him). Raab is usually well prepared and wins most of the time.
I was more wondering if he came out hard at the beginning of the fight…
He would have if he could… Raab was beaten up by Hallmich from the get go.
Ummmmm… how about Oscar De La Hoya narrowly beating Shaquille O’Neal in a boxing match. A perfect example of all the skill in the world just about making up for size. If it was a bar fight Shaq would have picked him up and eaten him. You’ll find it on youtube.
I think it’s fair to say that the big guy starts with an advantage, an advantage that can be bridged with skill. The bigger the size differential, the bigger the skill differential has to be in favour of the smaller man. By the time you reach a guy the size of Shaq, a skill level of “all time great” may not even be enough to bridge the size differential, or in De La Hoya’s case it was jussssst about enough.
Size makes up for an awful lot of lack of skill.
Resultant force (newton, N) = mass (kg) × acceleration (m/s2)
A “fat” slow man can hit as hard as an exceptionally fast “little” man, and if the fat man has a little bit of hand speed he can hit much harder.
EG. a 65kg man throws a punch at 25mph, a 130kg man could hit much harder if he can manage just 15mph.
Not to mention argument around punch absorption, strength etc. And if the fight is to be a street fight with less rules etc.
If the big man is competent he’ll hold his own if the size difference big enough.
Even if the small man is an all time great boxer, and the big man is a basketball player…
