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German jewish
Polish opera à la Krzysztof Kieslowski, anyone?
All German jewish.
Why did you list “Illy”? That’s not ending with a consonant.
That’s why the country is totally broke…
Cite? Cite? Cite? Cite?
Santorum is said to be derived from the medieval name Santorus, along with the much more common variation Santoro, also Santori, Santorio, etc.
There are a bunch of Italian surnames, albeit a small minority of the very large number of different Italian surnames, that are a consonant ending version of a more common vowel ending name. You can browse through here and see. Another relatively well known one is Michelin, that’s originally a surname from Venice, along with numerous variations of Michele that end in vowels.
Another consonant end name Italian American in the news is Paul Manafort. He’s Italian on both sides and the name has been that for at least couple of generations, though it’s not listed on the site above.
What are you on about? Those politicians are almost all from South Tyrol, an ethnically German province that Italy annexed from Austria. Most likely they are Catholic. They are almost certainly not Jewish, neither by religion nor ethnicity.
Gianluigi Buffon is the only one that comes to mind…
So what’s your point?
You should have asked me that thirteen years ago when I wrote that post.
You show me proof that they’re not jewish. You can’t spot jewish names? I think it’s rather easy — and I’m not even talking about the ones ending with -wic or -zki. Then there are — of course — ones like Spelling, the ones ending with -feld and -berg, -stein and so on. Naturally not every single person with such name on this planet is jewish, but most of them are and like I said, those names are pretty easy to spot.
You should have asked me that thirteen years ago when I wrote that post.
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What’s my point? Just telling that those are not Italian names. I find this quite an interesting topic, so I decided to take part.
I don’t know where you are from, but I’m from a country where we speak two official languages and even have a third minority language. English and German are learnt in school as foreign languages and I’d say the general level on English here is rather good. And the understanding of different languages and cultures is decent as well, because of our history.
What I mean is that e.g. Americans transliterate foreign names differently. Let’s use Бори́с Е́льцин — or Boris Jeltsin as we write it — as an example. Americans write it Yeltzin. So there Y clearly isn’t working as vowel, but here where I’m at, literally no-one would think that the name “Illy” would actually end in a [j].
Why did you answer me then?
German and German Jewish names. Where did I say anything about the religious habits? Get a grip, good man!
Do you know what language they speak in Austria? German.
Man, it’s pointless to try to have a conversation with Americans… Are you from America? I just assumed. Sorry if you’re not. I know Americans come from a big, big country and they have complicated culture and language with idioms, newspeak, portmanteau, contaminations et al. It must be a hell of a job to try to keep up with all that and at the same time try to remember all the state capitals and such.
I’m very sorry. But — hey! — merry Christmas to you too!
P.S.: That’s the way I really think of America: it must be hard to keep up with all the info.
That’s not really a very strong point if you have read that entire set of posts carefully.
»I have heard that last names from the north of italy tend to end in ‘e’ or ‘i’ (that’s typically a plural word) and those from the south tend to be ‘o’ or ‘a’ (singular). My last name ends in an ‘o’ and comes from Sicily.»
O.K. Someone had written about that already. So Tony was thinking that the Sopranos are inferior to the ones with names ending with E or I; people from the northern Italy which is rich whereas the south — including Sicilia — is poor.
What I find funny is that in my country the south is rich and the north is poor. Is this the same in any other parts of the world?
Yes, I’ve read everyhing.
Could you please elaborate what I did wrong? There is clearly something you don’t understand here.
I’m saying that German (jewish) names are not Italian names: that’s why they don’t end with a vowel.
And trust me: I know German names.
So, again: what is your problem? Are you just tying to be difficult? Does it feel bad when some possesses more knowledge on the subject of Italian and German names than you do?
What is it? Please tell me.
“If you had read the posts carefully” — O.K., you’re just being difficult here.
Well, you can continue that on your own, buddy. Have a nice one.
I have seen a few that end in U.
Other than that, keep in mind that there are very few words in Italian that do not end in vowels.
Those posts already mention the presence of German-origin and French-origin names in those lists. You revived a 13 year old thread but didn’t add any information that wasn’t already there.
And then you made assertions of names being “Jewish” and have refused to back that up.
Do I have give you link to sources that 2+2=4 too? Some things are paradigms or axioms, if you will. I don’t think anyone in their right mind would start to argue with this. Cohen, Coen, Koen, Costner, Kassner (Angela Merkel’s real last name), Cusack etc. Some names just are jewish. That’s all.
Don’t make this whole thing something that it isn’t.
I really did not know when you wrote your comments. I just saw an interesting topic and decided to participate. That’s all.
I don’t know about you, but around here when a woman marries a man, she gets the husband’s surname. And if the name is jewish or German… Well, you do the math.
Also through mother’s marriage a male child’s last name can be changed and when he marries a woman later in his life, then his wife also gets the name — be it jewish, German or whatever, even if that man is of completely of Italian descent.
So the name’s origin doesn’t really go completely hand in hand with one’s religion, ethnicity etc.
But like I said before, Austria’s language is German and that exlplains certain things.
But one thing I didn’t quite get about your ethnicity comment: don’t you think that Italians tend to have Italian names and Germans German names? Isn’t that more or less natural and normal — Italian being the ethnicity of Italians and all?
I know that soon the most common name in e.g. Germany is Abdullah Mohammed Mehmed, but that’s a subject for a completely different topic.
But I’m very happy if I could teach you that Austrians speak German.
There are a very few names that signal that someone has Jewish ancestry. And there are some that are more common among those with Jewish ancestry than among those without. But you don’t know as much as you think you do, because Kassner/Costner and Kessler at least are not among those names. Nor is Gruber, which is apparently the most common name in Austria, a country with a very small Jewish population.
And the point of the ethnicity comment is that not every Italian citizen is of Italian ethnicity - the majority of those living in South Tyrol are ethnic Germans who speak German and consequently have German names.