Are there any Native American martial arts?

Many cultures have developed their own distinct unarmed combat techniques; I’m sure you can rattle off a bunch off your head - but how many originate with the first inhabitants of the New World? Yeah, I’m struggling too.

I’ve been able to find out about a couple from wiki, namely Okichitaw which has takes inspiration from Cree wrestling. The Inca apparently used a technique called Rumi Maki, which seems not dissimilar to my own beloved Muay Thai.

But the Americas are a big place - are there any other known combat techniques that originated with native peoples? Did they resemble any of today’s familiar styles?

Does counting coup work?

Kinda, but I’m thinking more of the equivalents of the Eskrima for the Philippines or Japan’s Judo, but for the First Nations.

In most nations, the local martial arts style starts with “First, grab the biggest, baddest weapon you can get your hands on”. It’s only nations where that was prohibited where unarmed martial arts really grew into prominence.

Martial arts are also practiced in nations with spectator sports, for example the Ancient Romans (and heck the Mesopotamians) were known to box.
Boxing - Wikipedia

Another wiki link:

Tinku, from Bolivia, appears to be unarmed, though it appears to be a post-colonial development.

Huka huka a form of wrestling from a region of Brazil, may qualify.

I’ll leave others to continue working with the list.

Please don’t consider this a snark but how is counting coup kind of a martial art? Scalping could be considered one in the same way… but I wouldn’t.

Well, in that it’s a cultural combat tradition. Not a martial art though, you’re quite right.

Scalping was introduced to Native Americans by the Spanish, IIRC.

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A long and dificult debate. I heard the same thing, but they learned it from the French, no wait the English.

Similarly, native apologists will tell you there is no cannibalism, despite documentation of ceremonial cannibalism by the Iroquois.

They will also tell you that native warfare before the white man arrived was a game, more a counting coup “run up and touch the enemy” rather than vicious lethal warfare. Funny, we don’t hear that the Mongol or Tartar hordes were misunderstood but gentle peoples…

As with any subsistence culture in a constricted environment and competition for resources, the competition gets vicious and lethal. Warrior cultures were exactly that. Indians did not need any lessons in killing from the white man. We just gave them more effective weapons after demonstrating how they were used.

(Watch the movie “Black Robe”, if you can find it. It follows a priest’s journey in New France in the 1600’s. The point is that unlike chivalry, where magnamity is seen as a demostration of strength, in native culture it was seen as a sign of weakness to not kill your enemy when you could.)

So I’ll go along with Chronos, that effective unarmed combat as developed where a group was forbidden to possess weapons but needed to defend itself.

the historian Neil Young said that the Indians didn’t have hate or war before Europeans brought it over

Fair enough on the unarmed combat angle, but then fencing is also a martial art with many regional variants, e.g. kendo/kenjutsu, European modern vs. medieval fencing, the various Rajput and Sikh schools of combat etc… which all were formally codified for easier teaching. Same for archery : from English longbowmen, to Hungarian horse archery, to Kyujutsu, very different styles and ways to kill stuff dead from a distance, each with its own semi-rigid “pure” form.

I don’t know of any such NA formal technique. But then, I’m far from knowledgeable about them :confused:

Without much to go on, I would argue that each tribe had techiques of combat that they generally passed on within their tribe through traditional teachings, often play among the young (especially boys). Much of this would involve wrestling of some sort, as well as how to use whatever hunting weapons were available.

However, these systems were not documented in formal form (i.e. writing) and did not gain the formal distribution that other styles acquired (formal schools, long traditions, etc). Plus, they were mostly wiped out as the various tribes were wiped out/subsumed.

Plains Indians using bows and arrows for war, for instance, would really be a subset of using them for hunting and then just applying the skills to a different end. Tomahawk use might be something fairly unique for North American indinous populations. Of course, after encountering Europeans, they adapted and incorporated the European weapons whenever they could - including horses.

That is wrong. The archaeological evidence shows that scalping (as trophy-taking) predates European contact by millenia.

The Comanche developed a style of horseback warfare that, had more of their culture survived, would be considered as much a martial art as Yabusame and Kyudo in Japan, combining superb horsemanship and superb archery skills. One of their main battle tactics was attacking in a formation of hundreds of riders galloping in two counter rotating circles moving forward in unison with each mounted warrior firing as he reached the point of attack.

Then the historian Neil Young is an idiot.

Cite.

You could also cite the Incas: Inca Empire - Wikipedia

Interesting question. I’ve had an interest in all kinds of martial arts from way back, though I’ve primarily done Japanese martial arts. Unfortunately I’ve never heard of any actual Native American martial arts that were preserved. There are some reconstructed elements, but nothing with direct provenance. Even more than the European martial arts — which had something of a boom in the '90s and early 2000s as enthusiast-scholars reconstructed them — there were huge difficulties in preserving them.

The first problem is that there’s not a whole lot of actual information on North American tribes to begin with. An estimated 90% of the population died out in the decades after contact, and the vast majority of those tribes were never even encountered by Europeans. They died off from diseases and encounters with displaced groups. Even among those groups that managed to survive until fairly late in the game, few ever had any of their histories and customs recorded. The wars in the 1800s that are most commonly thought of are late-stage conflicts, sometimes with mixed groups of disparate peoples. The cultural changes had been already been occurring for 300-400 years by that point.

With the notable exception of a handful of tribes like the Cherokee, none developed or adopted writing, and few outsiders were able to record much detail. In many cases, even their oral histories were lost, and there are some groups we know of only through references from other groups that managed to hang on a bit longer, a bit like the references we have in ancient Greek and Latin texts that refer to works that are no longer extant.

Okichitaw is basically a reconstructed martial art, which is not to say that’s a bad thing. Given a basic weapon form and the human body, there are only so many efficient and effective ways to move. I’ve noticed many, many similarities between very different martial arts around the world.

The European sword and unarmed fighting arts had mostly died out too, with only a few elements remaining like fencing (which is vastly different from its roots), singlestick fighting, and savate. Modern reconstructions of, say, 15th century sword and armored wrestling by people like Christian Tobler and David Lindholm, based on period manuscripts and drawings, are pretty damn impressive and well-developed. If you could throw them in a time machine and have them spar with Talhoffer or Ringeck, there might be some differences in technique, but I’d wager that there were equally large differences between those two sword masters and their parent lineage as taught by Liechtenhauer.

Michael Mann, who is fanatical in his attention to detail, especially when it comes to weapons and fighting in his movies, looked into fighting styles for Last of the Mohicans and found that there basically was nothing historical on how they fought with war clubs and tomahawks, so he improvised with some basic techniques chosen from 18th century European fighting manuals by his fight trainers. You can hear him talking about some of this on the extras for the DVD or blu-ray.

Sports are basically ritualized warfare, and some can provide at least a bit of insight into historical fighting. Lacrosse is from a Native American game that was near-universal among the tribes we know about. (You can see Hawkeye and the others playing it in one scene in Last of the Mohicans.) It’s a bit like hurling, which has also been described as a barely-disguised pitched battle. Hurling makes hockey look like a church picnic, since traps, blocks, and throws using the stick are actually legal contact.

Imagine lacrosse with fewer rules, and no protective equipment, played by people who hunt and kill animals on a regular basis for their food. They know exactly where to strike to cripple or kill and have intimate familiarity with doing so, and their favorite game is a close analog to close-quarters battle with the kinds of weapons they’d use once closer than bow- (or later) rifle-shot. Pretty damn scary, if you ask me.

Players of the Total War game series might know this one as the Cantabrian Circle, apparently it was a thing Roman legions encountered as well. FTR, in game it kinda sucks because even though it makes the horsemen less vulnerable to missile attacks from ground pounders, their rate of fire is lower than were they to simply park their ass and fire as a block, plus it quickly tires the horses :). But then, I suppose in real life where warriors are less pixellated their survival might be marginally more important to them than their K/D ratio :D.

Something similar, called the caracole, was used in Renaissance European warfare, where riders bearing pistols or cavalry carbines would speed at the enemy in N spaced columns. First guy in range shoots, does a fast U turn and races to the back of the column while reloading, rinse repeat albeit with mixed results. Apparently,people thought it sucked tooback then. And it didn’t last very long as a tactic, fading away before the 17th : certainly it does not strike as a smart thing to do when facing the rolling counter-fire of a Line of muskets !

Capoeira in Brazil was developed from the 16th century onwards mainly by African slaves, but is thought to have native Brazilian influences. IIrc it was developed in multiethnic communities of runaway slaves and natives.

So capoeira itself doesn’t quite fit the description, but perhaps there were martial arts it was based on, that the native Brazilians were introducing? I doubt there is any way of knowing.

You have clearly never heard of Prof. Christopher Beckwith.