I’m so sorry, I guess restraining women who don’t do what you say inside a room is completely fine as long as you physically hold the door shut or keep her inside through the mere threat of violence; it only becomes problematic if you use a mechanical device such as a lock to hold the door shut. Silly me, I guess Platner is a stand up guy after all! 
Speaking as a woman who once successfully fought off a rape attempt from a then-boyfriend… That’s horrible behavior. It should be some level of crime. And also, i might vote for that candidate against someone i thought would vote worse in the Senate.
Women are dying because the supreme Court allowed states to threaten doctors with felony if they perform a medically necessary abortion. ICE is kidnapping innocent people and locking them up in much worse conditions than this woman was in, and for much longer. Susan Collins enabled these abuses. “Better than Susan Collins” is a really really low bar.
I’m not nearly as certain as you appear to be about how high on the priority list Graham “Imprisons Women Who Argue With Him and Thinks Rape Victims Deserved It” Platner places the bodily autonomy of women. This seems to be one of his horseshoe issues where he may be more aligned with the Republicans.
And right now, I would be voting for Mills in the primary.
Oh, for sure. If i were in Maine, i would absolutely be voting for Mills in the primary. Mills winning is by far the best primary outcome. But it’s also low probability, so I’m looking ahead to the general election.
And to be clear, I’m not currently certain which of those two bad choices i would prefer in the general. But Collins is responsible for a lot of kidnapping that’s a lot worse than what this guy is accused of having done. And is actually guilty of facilitating a lot of laws and medical guidelines that are killing people.
Also, I’d rather be alone in a room with Susan Collins.
So you are imagining him holding it shut all night?
What is alleged is an episode in which there was a big dramatic fight between two people both of whom were, by their own accounts, not in emotionally great points in their lives, which she says ended by him physically shoving her into a different room and holding the door shut for some unknown period of time, during which she fell asleep. And then left.
Yes if accurate it would be an episode of very ugly behavior by a twenty something year old man with PTSD who was then also drinking a lot in a clearly dysfunctional relationship. Not being a stand up guy. Horrible even if she was throwing things at him. Placing that as akin to attempted rape? Calling that an allegation of kidnapping? Calling that being a felony abuser? Saying she alleges being locked in the room all night? Saying that there are allegations of abusing multiple women?
What is alleged is one thing, and it is not any of those, but those inaccurate exaggerated portrayals have become the accepted narrative. Fascinating.
In the primary I’d need to find out more about Mills, and why she dropped out.
Are you saying that she should have been constantly checking the door and made her escape as soon as he wasn’t holding it any more?
There’s a reason why laws are written in legalese. You don’t want the law to say that kidnapping includes locking someone in a room, because then the kidnappers get off it wasn’t technically locked. Instead, you write the laws saying things like “physically prevented egress”. Now, I don’t know the specific laws in the place where the alleged incident occurred, but I’d bet that under those laws, what he was alleged to do would in fact meet the definition of kidnapping or some other similar crime.
I’m pretty sure that she doesn’t have any Nazi tattoos and she’s never kidnapped anyone, and the reason she dropped out is that she didn’t have enough money. Any other questions?
It’s absolutely insane that you think there is a difference between those two things, i cannot fathom the level of delusion that requires.
Do you imagine it matters?
He held it physically shut long enough to make it clear to her that she wasn’t free to leave, and combined with the earlier physical violence and the implicit threat that this would continue, she was too terrified to leave.
In a just world, he would be in prison for that.
Mostly because Platner was polling much better. She dropped out for mundane reasons, nothing worth voting on either way, IMHO.
In a just world, he’d be out by now. If she even filled charges. There are reasons other than “you’ll lose” to decide against filing charges.
Yes, but as a convicted felon, he might have some problems running for office. Then again, I’d have said the same about his Nazi Tattoo.
First off, FWIW, I actually believe that she is telling the truth as she remembers the event of a dozenish years ago, not making stuff up due to her political job. And that he is telling the truth as he remembers as well.
My WAG of the reality is that holding a door shut is a hard active effort. Not very likely anyone does that for more than a couple of minutes. If that. I’m imagining an argument that she was giving as much as she was getting. Once they were separated and not yelling at each other anymore she likely did just fall asleep and left after she woke up. Fights that big are exhausting. That he held it shut at all is big in her memory and he may honestly not recall it.
I have never done that but I have had ugly enough fights with my wife of forty years that I know she remembers very differently than I do, and I wouldn’t want to be judged by her honest recollection of that one event as who I am.
If there was no difference there would be no reason to say the ones that are not true.
To me there is a significant difference between locking someone in a room and holding a door shut during an active argument, such is not the same as kidnapping and felony assault, and one allegation of such in a bad relationship in your twenties is not the same as allegations of abusing multiple women.
You don’t. Okay.
Warning for @DigitalC, this goes too far into attacking the poster and not the post.
I did a quick check and you’ve had several flags and modnotes to avoid this recently.
You need to dial back the hostility outside the Pit.
I did when i fought with my brothers as a kid. I was usually holding the door closed from the inside (our bedroom doors opened in) to keep them out. But… once, i had a friend over, and i held the door closed the entire time she was there (after the fight, that is). We probably played Monopoly or something while i was holding that door closed. I did it by sitting firmly against the door, not by hanging onto the handle. Some of those doors were seriously damaged by one of my brothers trying to kick them in.
Yes blocking a door from opening from the inside is easy to do passively. Holding it shut from outside the room is not, it is an ongoing active process.
It depends which way the door opens. I didn’t think we’ve heard that detail.
I also sometimes held the door shut keeping my brother in his room. I don’t remember the longest time i did that, but it was more than 5 minutes.
This discussion of the mechanics of door holding is quite fascinating, but let us not forget that it is not in fact acceptable to restrain your partner from leaving when they wish to do so for any length of time.
Cite?