This is a red herring. Nobody likes Trump. It’s fairly obviously that not even Trump likes Trump.
There were a number of differences between the two groups, but the most significant difference is that one group was responding to signifcant and long-standing injustice and was seeking justice, while the other was responding to a pack of obvious lies and was seeking to overthrow the republic and suppress democracy.
Who claimed it? Thank you for letting us know where you really stand.
There was no arson, but police detonated several IEDs and confiscated a truck filled with Moltov cocktails.
I hate all this shit, but I have to ask how many million people marched in the BLM protests last summer? How many were protesting in Washington? I have seen claims of “at least they didn’t loot,” but then what were the people doing that were taking souvenirs like the speakers podium? Looks like looting to me? And I have to admit, there was a real difference in how the “protestors” were treated Wednseday compared to how the BLM protestors were treated. Maybe if we treated the Trumpists the way we treated BLM and Antifa over the summer, it would have escalated and they would have burned the capital to the ground.
“this incident was 100% people intent on mayhem, violence, and in fact, treason.”
That is what I replied to. There were thousands of peaceful protestors, so not all were 100% intent on violence, mayhem, and treason, and to say they were is hyperbole.
“Thanks for letting us know where you really stand.” You’re welcome
I wonder just how much of the violence of the BLM protestors was exagerrated by certain media outlets such as Fox for the purposes of provocation and to support the lie that is the US presidency?
I suspect that much of the violence by BLM was in reaction to the way they were attacked by police and intimidated by armed counter protestors who support the current presidency.
Can you explain why BLM protesters were ‘managed’ by the President bringing in Federal resources - especially from previously largely unused resources for that type of work, and yet somehow the Federal resources that were avaiable for the traitors were somehow not available to deal with these white violent supporters of the President.
Its worth noting that Federal resources were imposed in some situations on events in some states when those states were already managing fine and already had a strategy to handle the protesters.
Also, seems the Preisdent does actually agree with you, BLM protesters are very much worse than Fascist ones becuase they do not support the President and so deserve to be treated very violently and using very dubious methods such as ‘black bagging’ and non-Miranda detainment without stated cause, access to legal advice, access to constitutional rights.
Very few of the BLM protesters were violent, and there were relatively very few violent incidents. And crucially, BLM protesters never killed any cops (unlike the insurrectionists 2 days ago).
Concerning the level of violence at BLM protests, this article in Time magazine is very informative.
Do you have anything at all to say about how the two groups were treated by the authorities?
BLM protesters never killed any cops (unlike the insurrectionists 2 days ago).
John Sullivan, a left-wing activist, witnessed the killing of unarmed-Trump-supporter Ashli Babbitt by a capitol police officer: “I just remember the sense of shock and sorrow that somebody just died and did not need to die.”
Thanks. I’d be interested in a similar study of Maga protests - tho I’m not sure there is one designation - such as BLM - to cover all recent conservative civil protest/unrest. For example - can we include the rancher protests, the occupation of the federal property out west, the torch parade, the occupation of state facilities - all under the same umbrella with the 1/6 insurrection?
I’m not someone who personally feels MORE SECURE by the idea that MORE private citizens around me are openly bearing arms. It has appeared to me that a number of conservative group actions have involved more of a display of weapons than the liberal counterparts. But, some folk will say such people are acting within their rights.
How can you compare the display of weapons - which some might consider threatening and intended to intimidate - with looting? I’m serious. How do you compare which is worse? Or, are they both bad?
And you know that the BLM types caused all that damage while the counter protesters were lily-white innocents?
Probably lily-white anyway.
Neither of the two links I provided break down the damage by race or cause. The sites describe riots and damages as resulting from protests against police brutality in the wake of George Floyd’s death. It’s presumptive that counter protestors wouldn’t be involved, although conspiracy theorists could float a narrative that has white supremacists wreaking havoc while disguised as BLM protestors. Neither left-leaning site, however, entertains that notion.
100s of millions in damage in Minneapolis alone far surpasses the damage to the capital building. It’s hard to have credibility when some political violence is downplayed because of ideological bias. The wise thing would have been to consistently denounce mob violence as a threat to democracy.
Most people think that their cause is ultimately just. Doesn’t make it so or give folks a pass on obviously felonious behavior.
I think you are missing something here, accidentally or otherwise - the damage to the Capitol is way way more than money, way way way more than that, it you refuse to acknowledge this then I can’t imagine how you can debate this matter with any credibility.
Occupying and burning a city center, destruction of police stations, attacking federal property, state property, and just as importantly private property in order to enact a political agenda is just as much an assault on the ideals of self government.
Is it any surprise that a so-called ‘Conservative’ would place private property above democracy? The modern Republican party does not represent conservative ideals in any way, shape, or form.
@octopus would you like to condemn the Boston Tea Party as well? After all, destroying
It’s awfully tangential but they’d have suffered if the revolution failed. Also, this is in the context of a functioning democracy. The US has a functioning democracy and there is very rarely justification for mob violence in the US.
And nowhere did I post a hierarchy of value.
If you cannot or will not see the difference in scale of an attack on the US Capitol and its national legislature with an attempt at the overthrow of the election process and an attempt to ensure the installation of a fascist government, and you will not see that this is orders of magnitude more damaging not just to the US but to the whole of the democratic world, and then you somehow equivalent that with admittedly apalling acts in state capitols you really have nothing useful or meaningful to add.
Not if the Trumpers who stormed the Capitol had gotten their way. That’s exactly why the DC insurrection is incomparable to a BLM protest.