Are there other countries where the losing side in a war is still celebrated?

Well, the story is a somewhat nuanced because after the WWII there was a fraction in Serbian political landscape that was very anti-fascist and hard-core communist. They pretty much managed Serbian national destiny so to speak from then on together with other ethnic groups comprising Yugoslavia.

However, the defeated but not broken old Serbian political fractions - royalists and nationalists, referred to in WWII as Chetniks - started slow burning process of turning the tide of Communist and Yugoslav idea by doing something similar that Southerners do in US. Essentially, they presented themselves as the TRUE Serbs and TRUE descendents of those men who lost Kosovo Field battle. That picture has remained in the collective Serbian national soul as many saw Yugoslavia as a compromise rather than an evolution of a Serbs. During post-WWII decades there was an intense ideological fight between the two ideas and that fight - if you can call it that - ended when a Communist minded Milosevic embraced fully nationalistic ideas and movement. In short, a leader has appeared who made the two ideas compatible and, in effect, created the basis of all the wars Serbs initiated with other ethnic groups in Yugoslavia.

Celebration of a losing battle at the Kosovo Field and the speech given by Milosevic then and there is generally being understood to be the event that announced Serbian aggressive wars and fight for land (known as “ethnic cleansing”). In my mind, the celebration of a losing battle played a great deal in creating a nationalistic fever that made future wars with Croatia, Bosnia and in Kosovo possible. However, the first step and the most important step was to use that place to homogenize their own fractions and get rid of those who opposed it.

Sure, but he was put there around 1840, at a time when he was indeed hugely popular (as shown by the fact that Napoleon III was elected president in 1848 running essentially on the platform “I’m his nephew”).

From 1835 to 1845 the province of Rio Grande do Sul rebelled against the imperial government in Brazil and proclaimed itself a republic.
They were defeated and reincorporated to the Empire.
Still now, almost two centuries after the defeat, the state of Rio Grande do Sul comemorates the 20th September, date of the proclamation of the Republic.

Right about now-ish I think we need a clearer definition of ‘celebrated’ because there is no ‘celebration’ of which I am aware in the American South. The OP says, basically, reminisce about the good times, lost people, causes, rather than a celebration, although the word is used in the title. I’m sure everybody who has ever lost a war celebrates exactly as the example given by the OP (with the exception of Germany, which doesn’t allow for free expression.)

Alabama and Mississippi celebrate Jefferson Davis’ and Robert E. Lee’s birthdays.

Huh?

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See my post #68. Don’t reopen this debate.

Colibri
General Questions Moderator

Busted!

Although, we still need a working definition for ‘celebrated.’ I’m sure every losing side of every nation, in every war ever fought ‘celebrates’ the fallen for the cause, in some fashion or other, if we have no definition.

A few

  • The Masada (by Jews)
  • The Ashanti wars (by the Ashanti)
  • The Zulu wars (by the Zulu)
  • Wounded Knee
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Not celebrated by any days or anything, but us Brits have a real thing for Dunkirk, which was a retreat on anything that would float.

Although it has to be said that the intention of Franco when he designated Juan Carlos as his heir was very likely NOT that. It would appear that Franco hoped for a continuity of his regime under a king “groomed” to keep on his style of government. Obviously he had no idea that Juan Carlos had actually been in touch with Spanish democrats in exile “under the table”, so to speak. Ironies of fate, I guess…

Although perhaps it also helped that ETA killed Admiral Carrero Blanco in 1973, who was a staunch loyalist for Franco and most likely would have become Prime Minister under King Juan Carlos and very likely would have done his outmost to keep the regime from changing. His absence made things somewhat easier during the transition (not that it was a particularly easy period, anyway).

(And yes, there were plenty of murky things surrounding that assassination, but it would be too long to discuss them)

It’s not as though all the people flying confederate flags and attending Daughters of the Confederacy meetings are just remembering their dead.

The Province of New Brunswick celebrates Loyalist Day on May 18, to commemorate the arrival of the Loyalists from the rebellious colonies to the South.

[QUOTE=Lt Governor G.F.G. Stanley]
**PROCLAMATION

WHEREAS**, on May 18th, 1783, men and women who had maintained their allegiance to the Crown during the American War of Independence began to arrive and to settle in large numbers in what is now New Brunswick;

AND WHEREAS, the constancy, fortitude, tenacity of purpose and sacrificial sense of public duty exemplified by those Loyalists and their descendants have been interwoven for ever in the very fabric of this province that they loved;

AND WHEREAS, May18th has been popularly known as Loyalist Day for many years and has been celebrated for close to two centuries;

NOW THEREFORE, I, the Lieutenant-Governor, acting by and with the advice of the Executive Council, do proclaim the 18th day of May of each year as Loyalist Day and invite all the people of New Brunswick to participate in the festivities.

This proclamation is given under my hand and the Great Seal of the Province at Saint John on May 18, 1983
.(LS)

Fernand G. Dubé, Q.C.
Minister of Justice
&
G.F.G. Stanley
Lieutenant-Governor

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The French Foreign Legion celebrates “Camerone,” right?

And the motto of the province refers to them: Spem Reduxit, “hope was restored.”