Are Trump supporters so far in they can't back out?

I don’t know if it’s all constant gas-lighting by the right-wing media. Some is auto-gas-lighting, or in other words, misinterpreting the world around them.

A good example would be my mother. Although I’m not sure if she’s a Trump supporter or not, she’s definitely in her own alternate reality. One where “in Houston, people get shot all the time.” without realizing that most of those people are drug dealers in poorer parts of town, and that white, suburban elderly women are amazingly unlikely to be shot and killed, or even accosted in her part of town. And this sort of thinking extends to other stuff- there’s a lot of fear, distrust and general unease among the older crowd that I don’t recall having been there in my grandparents’ day.

Maybe that’s something whose fermentation the right-wing is encouraging, but it’s not like she watches Fox News all day and listens to right-wing talk radio, etc… it’s just that she’s a lot more fearful than she has any reason to be.

That said, I think that there’s a lot of merit to the idea that a lot of Trump supporters have doubled down on him out of fear of being proven wrong in public. As if somehow admitting they made a good-faith mistake is a loss of face, public admission of guilt, or exposure of weakness.

I also think there’s a big contingent of people who have been gas-lighted by the Republican narrative into believing that the Democratic party stands for a lot of things- I read a letter to the editor in this morning’s local paper where a person, presumably a Trumper, was bloviating about how if you’re going to come here and break the laws (immigration laws), you should be prepared to suffer the consequences. And this person was contending that family separations and all that were the fault of the parents for illegally immigrating here.

I can only suppose that this person is so hung up on the notion of law and order, and punishing those who transgress at any cost, up to and including splitting toddlers from parents, that they are willing to ignore the fact that it’s a pretty minor crime- a misdemeanor, and that in the grand scheme of things, nobody is suggesting that these people be let off the hook, just that families be kept together.

But it’s a testament to the propaganda that these people perceive the Democratic response to this to be one of condoning law-breaking, or putting “touchy-feely” stuff ahead of enforcing the laws, etc… There’s no proportionality there; it’s always “with us or against us”, with respect to law, law enforcement, etc… So if Trump comes in with a big law and order push, this crowd is going to be all behind that, and is likely to ignore the other stuff if this gets done, despite Trump’s own transgressions.

Someone much earlier in the thread mentioned tribalism, and I think that’s a huge factor. It’s hard to admit your tribe is wrong, even in the smallest ways. Leave the tribe? That’s like repudiating your whole life.

I’m a football fan living near Chicago. I know Bears fans who would sooner mutilate their own genitals than root for the Packers. If you point out that the Packers have been better managed for decades and generally put an entertaining product on the field, they’ll say, “Yeah, but I’m a Bears fan.”

I think many Republicans feel the same way. I’m not talking about the racist & wacko scum, but the nice woman who lives down the street. She may recognize on some level that what she’s seeing is wrong and will lead to unfortunate consequences, but “I’m a Republican.”

“Thanks” to those who saw this attempt at just listening to the viewpoints of others as an opportunity to make a preemptive attack on your “enemies”. You’ve poked a great big hole in the premise that there is a place on this board for all. That thread wasn’t put there for you to talk-It was put there for you to listen, and I hope you haven’t killed it.

When the nice woman down the street voted for Trump, she became racist wacko scum. There is no way of avoiding that.

You’re right, they don’t object to brash and authoritative if it works within their own narrative. If it doesn’t, it’s yelling at the sky. Isn’t that always the way? It is also possible to be reasonable and polite and contemptuous, which the NYT does very well when it wants to. Real politeness would entail the exchange of ideas, and not “why are you racist?” or telling them what they think and why.

Picture someone on the right describing the two kinds of Obama supporters: those indoctrinated by leftism and those on welfare. That’s also a real occurrence and it’s also very prejudicial.

The cause of the day is immigration, and millions of Democrats yelling about racism is not going to matter very much, if people believe that illegal immigration should be curbed. Which they do. Clearly. In practice, people like my mother are not going to hear any opposition at all, except when it’s presented as exhibits of liberals being unreasonable. A quiet word from their own ranks though, that’s different.

I’m not sure the democrats are going to make alot of inroads into Trump supporters when their supporters such as Hollywood and the loony left, are acting so crazy.

Their was THIS recent bit warning of bombings.

WND? You’re not kidding, you cited WND?

Still waiting on your opinion of this Nugent Nugget:

“Obama, he’s a piece of shit. I told him to suck on my machine gun”

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My father’s response was along the lines of: this is morally wrong, this is politically stupid, they’re going to change their policy soon because so many people hate it. He seemed almost surprised the Orange One would do a stupid thing. I can’t see on what basis he thinks the current administration hasn’t been one long string of stupid things, but then I don’t watch Fox News.

As is typical with WorldNutDaily, the editorial you linked to is laughably slanted, designed to inflame your already toasty outrage.

Did you read the Splinter article? It’s linked in the WND piece, but I’m guessing you didn’t bother. Here it is in its entirety. Kindly read it and then we can discuss whether or not it says what you claim it says.
(Spoiler warning: It does not.)
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I have come to the depressing conclusion that 30-40% of the human race -maybe more- is perfectly OK with fascism-as long as they aren’t at the bottom of the ladder. They will take all kinds of oppression and deprivation as long as there is somebody farther down the food chain that they can kick and revile and blame for all society’s problems. This isn’t just an American problem, but it hasn’t been quite this obvious here before. We are supposed to be a democratic republic after all.
Trump has made hate OK again amd hate is a helluva drug.
So to the OP, I agree that those still supporting him like what he’s doing, especially the hatred of the “other” and they will not abandon him. His turning this country into a fascist state would be fine with them as long as they don’t perceive themselves as the main targets of state aggression.

There have been a couple of NYTimes op-ed features in the past few weeks by ex-Trumpers who have fallen off that wagon. And at least three regular contributors who call themselves conservative/Republicans who were never on the Trump wagon (David Brooks, Ross Douthat, and one other whose name has slipped my mind).

One of the newly fallen described himself as an evangelical who just could not overlook the obvious evidence any more. Of course, these people presumably get at least some of the news from sources other than Fox.

I’d like to see a dot map of where the people on this board are located. My guess is that it is strongly tilted to blue areas of the country and that not many people here have ever spent much time in places like Ola, Arkansas or Spearfish, South Dakota. I voted for Gary Johnson but think Trump is doing a good job. If Trump runs in 2020, I’ll probably vote for him, but it is not worth saying much on this board because it leans so far left, there is little room to discuss things.

San Antonio, TX. Volunteered for Gingrich back in the 90s. I spent 2 weeks in Russellville, AR running a phone book delivery in the early 2000s (Ola was in the distribution area).

Trump is doing such a wretched job that I’m beginning to worry about a Dem President in 2021-2025 catching all the shit when these horrible economic and diplomatic decisions catches up to us. But then, in the post-war period, Republicans have always been second-rate when it comes to running the economy.

Perhaps for you he is doing a wretched job. For me, I have seen my taxes go down, the value of my rental properties go up, unemployment go down. The economy here (Nevada) is booming.

On the other hand, I have setup my life to be as unaffected by the government as possible so I did fine under Obama and Bush too.