Are we lying to ourselves about education?

When I think of education, specifically US K-12 education, both public and private, I think of kids learning things. With a school being defined as an institution for the teaching of children, this seems natural. I think this purpose gets undermined by something else. Grading.

Not testing, but grading, like you might grade a steak. Grading places students in a hierarchy, identifying certain students as smart, other students as… not so smart. Grading, as it’s done today, creates a database of students, tracking their performance in a portable, easy to share report, in convenient card form, so that outside agencies, schools, employers, etc. can be readily provided with performance data about students. We grade students and help these agencies to pick and choose which students are afforded benefits, offered positions, jobs or scholarships, and which are not. Grading changes school from a place of learning into a proving ground for one’s future opportunity. We understand this, it forms a deep undercurrent guiding our activities regarding school, but we don’t often say it out loud. You don’t get an angry parent in front of the school board saying the school isn’t doing enough to differentiate the high performers from the slackers.

Despite this, tremendous amount of effort is put into developing these grades by schools, ensuring their usefulness, from constant testing of students, to the development of standardized tests, to tracking the grades of the students in individual schools or districts. Students cram for tests to get a high score, and we all know full well that they will forget it in a few weeks time, until they cram again for the final. The goal being not necessarily a top notch understanding of the subject at hand, but a good grade to put on the report card. The grade becomes the focus, not the learning.

Now, you’ll say, grades are important because we don’t know how well a student grasps the content without grades. This is a fair point. However, if a student does poorly on a test, the grade tends to just sit there like a mark of shame, and not a lot of effort by the school goes into re-teaching what this student failed to learn, or necessarily even documenting what it WAS they never learned. The grade, though, that is well documented and will remain part of this student’s record, unchanged, whether or not the student eventually learns how to use Sine, Cosine and Tangent correctly. Even if we used grading/testing to directly help students learn more effectively, giving those grades to colleges and employers doesn’t help students learn at all.

Parents, when they see a bad grade say “work harder to get those grades up”. You got a bad grade in Fractions? You can “fix” it by doing better on the next topic, Geometry. We know that whether or not the kid knows fractions is irrelevant, the class is done with fractions, studying fractions NOW is a waste of time because the damage is already done. Maybe study it again when Finals comes along.

In the adult education world, grades are not really a ‘thing’ the same way they are for kids. If I go to a class to get my CDL certification I don’t get a grade. At least I don’t put down on my resume that I got a 90 in the class, or a 75, I put down that I completed the class to the satisfaction of the instructor, passed the test and can now legally drive large trucks. Nobody is keeping track of the adult classes I took where I didn’t do well, where I decided it wasn’t for me, and then punish me down the line for that failure. But we do this to kids, in addition to just the need to learn new things all day long, they deal with the pressure of knowing that what they do right now, when they’re 13 years old, is going to have a lasting impact on their future opportunities.

Well, in life, some people are “smart” and others not so much. Some people are “hard workers” and others not so much. Having children grow up in an environment where no one is different in preparation for surviving an adult world of “dog-eat-dog-winner-take-all” where people survive because they are different, is not preparing children to be successful. Life is a test, and every day we are graded by our peers and superiors.

This is one of my real problems with children’s education, also you could add in that grades are only there for the benefit of institutions and do nothing for children at all.

When I talk of institutions I don’t just mean academic ones, I also mean administrative and political ones too, and taking it further can also involve parents taking out finance either to move to areas with known high performing education or private tuition.

It is a lazy shorthand way for politicians to claim they are ‘improving standards’ because it appears to be readily measured.

Testing in and of itself does little to prepare people for life, all it does is result in ‘teaching for the test’ and is quite easily strategised to improve performance either if individuals through specific coaching, or by institutions who can improve results by selecting easier courses and filtering learners towards lower course levels instead of challenging them.

Grades have nothing to do with checking understanding - but it can and does allow for larger class sizes, teach to the test with maximum numbers - its just a way to industrialise education, instead of cultural and value education. Its hardly surprising that Grades leave us with so many snowflake children who cannot cope with criticism.

If you compare what the very wealthy do with the education of their children you tend to find they have much smaller class sizes, a lot more individual tuition and learning that is tailored to the individual - but, this is expensive so it isn’t available to the masses who are only educated for the purpose of providing revenue and taxes.

When you look at further education its almost always elective and its based on capacity and competence, no need for grading as such, but pressures are brought to bear on further education not to fail learners for fear of not meeting targets or not meeting the standard for fees.

A society that devalues education is pretty much blowing its own brains out

I agree with the OP that the grading process introduces fear and competition in a way that sabotages the true mission of learning. At the K-12 level, I think we could do away with most grading (but still need to keep some form of standardized testing.) Unfortunately, human nature being what it is, many kids would deliberately slack off and laze if they knew they weren’t going to face grading in schools.

I think some degree of standardized testing is required.

Every Canadian province has a test that 16 year old students have to take. It’s a grade 9 equivalent test that only covers English (or French) and math and you usually take it during grade 10. There’s a province or territory in Canada where students routinely pass grade 9, then fail the stnadardized test the next year. It’s easy for a school to pass a student who doesn’t actually have the ability to pass. The standardized test identifies students who haven’t been taught properly, but it’s only an identifier, not a solution. The student still hasn’t passed, and now that they’re 16 and legally allowed to drop out, they usually do so.

I heard that in Ontario if you fail the test you can take a special course to still graduate from high school. Said course is taught by the school and is not standardized, so we probably have students graduating who should not be graduating.

Grades are feedback to the student. If the student who got a bad grade on fractions never got a grade, perhaps he would think that he knows fractions where he doesn’t. Never underestimate our capacity for self-delusion.
It’s not like grades from elementary school and junior high show up on transcripts a college sees. They are there to guide a student into doing better.
I bet the kid who got a bad grade in fractions also got bad grades on homework before the section test. If the kid ignored the danger signal, don’t blame the system.
Some people are smarter than others. Some people have better work habits than others. If I’m hiring for a high paying high intellectual content job, I don’t want to hear about the unfairness of the system.
I’ll buy that there is too much standardized testing. But grades within a classroom situation? Absolutely essential.

Forget about slacking off. Do you think a kid would have a good understanding of how much they understand a subject without a grade? We’re all good about self-delusion.
Not to mention that grades are important for teachers also, because that’s one way of measuring how well what you are teaching is being received.

I think grades should primarily be used by the student, teachers, and parents to identify which subjects need additional time and instruction. The primary purpose is not to provide a metric for third-parties (with the notable exception of postsecondary institutions); that is what the diploma is for.

This is a soluble problem. Anybody involved can take the time to revisit the topic of fractions. The student can, the teacher can, the parents can, friends can, even the school can step in if there is a problem in aggregate with students learning fractions.

The advice about skipping fractions is bad advice. Geometry builds on fractions, and most lessons build on previous lessons. The student will have to go back and learn fractions or they will not comprehend the rest of the course.

~Max

I am deeply skeptical of grades at younger levels. They may be useful in middle school, but far too often at younger grades they act as a distraction rather than as a useful pedagogical tool. It’s far better to give a kid the tools to correct and improve her work, than it is to slap a 75% on a test and call it a day.

If I remember correctly, and this would be after the No Child Left Behind Act, we had pass/fail grades in primary school. Individual tests would be a graded as a fraction, so when we were learning division the worksheet would be graded as 20 correct out of 27, and in one lesson we actually used our own worksheet grades to calculate the percentages. Of course, the teacher would make us go back and re-do all of the problems we missed. But at the end of the semester and on my official transcript it was pass/fail broken down by subject, at the teacher’s discretion.

~Max

Grading a test or an assignment is feedback, grading the student is not. Grading the student is something for colleges and employers, and is the part that I’m finding distasteful.

I’m thinking of this now because my son is in 6th grade, middle school with real grades. In elementary, we got grades that were “at grade level” “ahead of grade level” “approaching grade level” and they were broken down to individual skills, like drawing inferences from text, editing of work, understanding place values, multiplication, etc. two full pages of skills with the teacher’s evaluation.

Now, I feel like it’s all about getting the numbers up, making honor roll, and something has been lost with the idea of teaching him skills, replaced by trying to get the all important A.

I don’t have a problem with grades so much as I take issue with class rankings in general. Like, I don’t think it’s healthy for students or for society more broadly to rank high school kids in order of GPA. It just adds so much unnecessary stress and cutthroat competition to that cohort of kids vying for the #1 rank just so they can get into an Ivy (and drown themselves and/or their parents in student debt) or get a good scholarship or whatever. Titles like ‘Valedictorian’ and ‘Salutatorian’ should go away and maybe just keep letter grades but don’t assign any GPA points to them.

The ranking issue certainly doesn’t carry over to the college level, or at least it didn’t at my university; I had no idea what my class rank was or whether my school even tracked such a thing. GPA calculations, however, became stricter in college than they ever were for me in high school. So it could be a catch-22.

I only remember sending my middle school transcript once, to the high school. It was used to determine which classes would be appropriate during freshman year - for example, because I had done well with life science in the eighth grade, I chose to go straight to AP Bio in ninth grade. I had an excellent grade in middle school band and was offered the option of skipping to the advanced class for freshman year (which I turned down out of disinterest).

But there were also a couple kids who didn’t have great grades, or rather had not taken the prerequisite course in middle school, and the principal let them take aptitude tests to get into the advanced classes anyways. But that want has to come from the kid, not just the parent.

At no point have I given my middle school transcript to a college; neither have I given any primary/secondary school records (besides diploma) to a potential employer.

~Max

Me elementary school 60 years ago had only a few categories and lots of teacher comments. But they were tracking us in more detail than this, since some got nominated for SP (kind of GATE) programs for junior high.
In junior high you get to understand grades which won’t matter for college.
But at no time is a person, graded, only the work - though I can understand people feeling graded.

My son (currently 4th grade) gets proportion scoring (e.g. “4/5”) on his math homeworks and tests. But the end-of-term scores are a 4-tier letter system (I forget the letters but it’s not ABCD) and the letters stand for (paraphrasing) “exceeding grade level”, “at standard grade level”, “grasps some concepts but below grade expectations” and “doesn’t know it at all”. As far as I know the proportional scores are not hard scores, but guidelines for the teachers’ qualitative rankings.

We do glance at the homework and quiz scores and if we see 1/5 or something try to spend a little extra time with him to see if he’s missing concepts or just had a bad day - the scores are quite useful for that though in checking we regularly reassure him not to stress the exact score just seeing if anything got missed.

The thing that bothers me is homework itself, as a concept. At least for elementary school. I know that practice on some subjects is needed outside of class time, but it teaches that work can’t be left at work and has to come home and cut into family time, lessons that IMO set up cultural patterns of overwork at an early age (I think I read recently that the value of homework was being questioned in some education circles but don’t know details of any studies etc).

Like the man said: this is LIFE; we’re playing for points. And there are a shit-ton of stupid questions.

Yes, well in their defense your child will have to take homework home at least through high school. I remember in middle school I actually got referred to the principal’s office for trying to do homework instead of listening to the lesson. The school got a few complaints about this and in eighth grade they ended up adding a designated class period where you just sit and do homework, called “study hall”. Most kids didn’t study during that time, obviously. They also opened up the school library for about two hours after school, and one hour before school. If these options aren’t available you can bring it up with the school board. The local library probably has a program for schoolchildren and homework, and then you might have other options like a Boys and Girls Club or YMCA program.

Another option, which I did, is to knock out most of the homework during the bus ride…

Then of course, keep in mind that those poor teachers are probably taking home loads of work and cutting into their family time. And you see all of those commercials about taking work on the go. For many people, work comes home. :frowning:

~Max

We should distinguish between homework needed to reinforce the concept and busywork. One teacher said that if a kid gets all the words right on a spelling test, they shouldn’t be forced to write all the words in sentences. They should either get an enriching assignment or be able to use that time for their own ends.

The homework we most detested for our kids were the damn art projects they got. We figured it was for kids who couldn’t write