Are young singles relationship-averse?

This only kinda links to being relationship-averse but I think it is evidence of it and goes with part of what @Dangerosa was saying:

Yeah, my wife never lets me listen to Megadeth at full volume either. :wink:

This a thousand times! Although I am not sure in our case it is a gender thing, as much as her untreated ADD coupled with a need to do it just right. It drives me crazy how long it takes her to decide everything. I choose in a second, do, and move on.

Of course I also love the just so story for blaming it on gender:

Men were more often the hunters, kill a good chunk of meat and bring it home. Done. Women were more often the gatherers, selecting the exact right variety and best choice of plants. Translate to men in search of the Great White Shirt, done, and women choosing between ivory, cream, linen … different collars … so on.

Of course there is no real basis for that but it is a great story! :grinning:

Have you tried asking her to let you cook on your own? I’d phrase it that way – that you want to try seeing what you can do by yourself.

Maybe she’s trying to model for you the assistance that she’d like to have herself. Some people want help in the kitchen, others don’t.

Yeah, that’s the downside of human story-telling. The great story often becomes so important that people stop noticing that there’s no basis for its assumptions. Good that you noticed!

I don’t think singles are relationship averse. I think the relationship options they choose from are different than when we were young. And just as when we were young, not everyone is happy with the choices available or the choices they made.


Buy a chef’s hat. I’m mostly serious. Kitchening goes much better if exactly one person is in command. Both of you make a commitment to respecting whoever is making the cooking decisions that meal.

And we are the reverse. I briefly scan (the brevity dependent on how much the thing is worth), decide, execute. He researches, watches some videos, makes a spreadsheet … months later … yeah, he has some ADHD too. Doesn’t care to examine it.

And yeah, cooking: whoever is cooking, cooks, and the other one stays well out of the kitchen.

Not everyone who never marries or has kids is goofing off or failing to grow up. But I do think a lot of people are taking more time to goof off and are failing to grow up as quickly and that is causing them to marry and have kids later, if at all.

And I suppose there is less reason to get married these days if you don’t want to:

  • A man doesn’t have to marry a woman to “protect her honor” if she accidently gets knocked up.
  • Women are more than capable of supporting themselves financially.
  • There is less society pressure to get married and have kids just “because”.

But I do think that getting married and raising children takes a certain selflessness that many people may not have. It’s kind of like joining the military. Whatever your reasons, you are committing so a long-term activity that isn’t really meant to be “fun”, you can’t simply quit if you don’t like it, and you don’t know the outcome (which could be bad, regardless of what you do).

A lot of people just don’t want to do that. They want their time to themselves to do what they want when they want to, whether that’s focusing on career, hobbies, or whatever.

It isn’t really meant to be “fun”, but my distinct impression is that desired parenthood is very often joyful.

That doesn’t really change your points, except perhaps as they apply to people who don’t realize that.

It is often very joyful. But it’s also often doing a lot of things that maybe you don’t always want to do.

That’s certainly true.

It’s also true, in my experience, of doing almost anything that matters.

CALVIN: I’m always putting off what I want to do for what I have to do!

CALVIN’S DAD: Welcome to the world.

I was on the edge of unfollowing this thread but you are usually worth reading and Ulfreida is back, despite leaving once.

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[where the hell is the blush icon? – we have too many icons. I can never find one in particular.]

You really should have that one copied to a clipboard

You think I have that much reason to be embarrassed? (Consider there to be a smilie here.)

– and I am clueless and only have one clipboard. I could copy it onto a document, but then I’d have to hunt up the document, and although I could make that fairly easy I still don’t think I’d bother.

Getting back to the OP’s original question, I don’t know how “new” this trope is (in film or reality). Since at least the 90s I’ve been hearing about the concepts of “quarter life crisis” or “failure to launch” where young people in their 20s refuse to take on the traditional responsibilities of adulthood and continue to live in a sort of perpetual adolescence.

The thing is (at least IMHO) no one stays 25 forever. Another rom-com and sitcom trope is the 30 or 40 something who won’t grow up. The one whose still hitting the clubs and sleeping around long after their friends have moved on with their lives. Who maybe spent too much time partying instead of working on their career.

In reality, the trope you describe in sitcoms and rom coms is often more about people making that transition to adulthood and realizing they can’t be “young, fun, and single” forever. Maybe not following some cookie cutter Stepford Wife suburban template, but still trying to find a meaningful relationship.

The ones I use reguarly pop-up whenever I type a :

That tells me it’s stuck-out-tongue-winking eye: and I’m relieved to see that it doesn’t do it when I type a colon in a sentence.

Absolutely.

With parenting I say it has the highest highs and the lowest lows. Sometimes on the same day. It’s a wild ride.

But I could see people using that description for virtually anything that is hard and deeply satisfying at the same time. I didn’t have a kid until I was 37, and I did a lot of satisfying life stuff before he came along, so much that I marvel at how much free time I used to have. I spent much of that free time worrying about whether or not I was happy enough.

Parenting will not bring you barrels of hedonistic pleasure. It can, however, bring you immense joy, even on the hardest days. And it will definitely reduce the amount of time you have to sit around and think about whether you’re happy or not. This is a gift of busy people I never understood until I became a busy person.

If you’ll forgive some emoting, the only way I can begin to describe having my child is that a second sun was born into my universe. There’s the one out there 93 million miles away and then there’s the one walking around my house, shedding its light over everything, making everything I ever knew look different. This more than makes up for the shitty parts. I mean you can’t even measure the shitty parts on the same scale. He is hands down the best decision I ever made.

Not everyone experiences it that way - it helps if you have an equal partner, flexible work hours etc all of which I am privileged to have. But I wonder whether some people really consider what the peak experience is like.

I should have been more precise. The pop-up occurs when you type a space then a colon. In typical use as punctuation, you type a letter then a colon. That doesn’t trigger the pop-up.