Arizona is out of control

His mother might dd a perfectly good job dressing him. Just because he’s a brainless trog does not mean that it’s his mother’s fault.

-Joe

(Sure, her meth habit probably didn’t help, but there’s no absolute proof that pregnant meth use leads to bigotry)

If we can’t trust these guys to use judgement when asking for ID should we allow them to be armed?

AZ State Capitol smeared with refried-bean swastikas.

I don’t get it - is that a protest against the law, or a threat against Mexicans, or what?

Yeah, I’ve seen all that glurge, too.

One question: Please give specific information on the hospitals that were closed down because of all the “illegals”?

Just name a couple of them. And supply links, of course.

Actually, the “how does illegal immigration affect you personally” thread in GD is proving more interesting than anything I expect magellan to say on the issue.
Or ever, really.

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Let me see if i understand your reasoning correctly here.

The law was written in such a way that it can be easily abused, and this, in itself, is sufficient proof to convince you that it will not be abused.

And the very fact that people are worried about abuse and harassment under this law, and are raising the issue, is again, for you, sufficient evidence that this abuse and harassment will not happen.

I guess, by that logic, your concerns that allowing gay marriage might dilute or somehow devalue traditional heterosexual marriage are, in and of themselves, sufficient evidence that this would not happen. After all, the people advocating for gay marriage “want this to succeed.”

It really happened. Who did it is not clear. I would guess, protestors against the new law.

Oh, I know it happened, just the message and the medium were ambiguous.

The original plan was to spell out Niemöller’s “First They Came…” using pinto beans, but they ran out of beans.

You can’t draw any conclusions about this kind of stuff. It could have been protesters, it could have been someone who wanted to make the protesters look bad, it could have been students at the local academy of art doing some kind of freelance performance piece, it could have been someone with a lot of leftover refried beans and not much to do on a Monday, etc. The media are too easy to game.

Rachel Maddow says the bill was drafted by a white supremacist group.

In 2008 ,there was an investigation of voter suppression in Arizona. The voting rolls had been purged of Hispanic names. The Feds received over 100, 000 complaints. In charge of the action was Jan Brewer. One of every 3 voters applications in Phoenix had been denied. The Feds explained voting illegally bis a felony ,please direct them to cases to prosecute. Zero cases were turned over to the Feds. A reporter who pushed them got one. It was a 100 year old woman who could not get a copy of her birth certificate because it did not exist. I sleep better knowing they stopped her.

Everybody just relax. Shakira is on the case.
http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/29/shakira-in-arizona-to-protest-new-immigration-law/

And of the 100,000 complaints, how many were justified? That is, how many names were stricken from the rolls in error?

100 is a large enough sample to suggest that the percentage of justified strikings was below 1%. So the purge was not very effective at reducing actual voter fraud at the polls.

OTOH, if 99% of the strikeouts were legally unjustified, and most hispanics vote for democrats, then this constituted a highly succesful voter suppression campaign.

You’re wasting your time with Bricker trying to talk about anything but hypertechnicalities of the written law. He isn’t interested in, and doesn’t even seem to recognize, anything else.

Remember his motivation for being on this board, too. He wants to win, nothing else. So, just let him feel like he’s won.

It’s not even technicalities, he’ll misconstrue something so that he appears to win. He’d rather seem right than be right.

I was considering law school in the later 60’s. You know, work within the system for change, stand up for the powerless, that sort of thing. My mother threw her self on the floor and beseeched me to consider the family honor, and our proud peckerwood heritage.

“Couldn’t you just be content with something more honorable, like a drug-addled hippy?”

Ahhh, the road not taken…

This law is ripe for abuse.
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