Well it was a very handsome error! 
ADMITTED… :smack:
The perils of trusting your spell checker…
An Arizona elementary school mural featuring the faces of kids who attend the school has been the subject of constant daytime drive-by racist screaming, from adults, as well as a radio talk-show campaign (by an actual city councilman, who has an AM talk-radio show) to remove the black student’s face, and now the school principal has ordered the faces of the Latino and Black students to be changed to Caucasian skin.
Way to go Arizona. It keeps getting better and better. Yeah, none of the crap in Arizona was ever about race, and none of it ever will be (yeah, uh uh). Nothing ever is :rolleyes:
Racist asshole.
I imagine she meant out-of-state driver’s licenses.
I find that whenever someone starts a sentence with “I am not a racist individual” or some variation thereof, it usually means they are.
I hesitate to even ask this.
But what the hell.
First let me clearly state, up front, I don’t have the slightest sympathy for the drive-by idiots or the now-fired radio host, or what they were asking for.
But let me ask this hypothetical: suppose you were to learn that the mural’s artists originally proposed a mural of four white children. And that the principal (or some other approving official) questioned this choice, and the artists’ rationale was that the school had a 97% white population, so a fair numerical cross-section of the school’s student body on the mural was in fact four white faces.
And suppose that this approving official said in response, “It doesn’t matter what the numbers are: we need to show diversity.” As a result of those circumstances, the mural was painted with a Hispanic child in the prominent position and African-American children also displayed.
Would that also indicate racism?
No, but just for a moment disregarding any “percentage of darkness”, or whatever you are getting at, when some fuckwad radio jockey / city councilman stirs the shit up and gets other fuckwads to drive by yelling racist shit,
here’s yer sign.
First, is there any reason to believe that this is what happened?
Second, I haven’t studied Prescott in particular much (though I know it was the state capital at one time and our first govenor’s “mansion” is there), but knowing what I know about Arizona, it’s no reach to say a hispanic person probably deserves to be included in some public art there.
Third, is inclusion ever as bad as exclusion? Is it equivalent?
Lastly, does it bother you, or make you feel any different at all, that these were REAL CHILDREN?
What the hell does that have to do with the price of fried chicken in Kansas, Bricker?
Yes, Bricker, I expect so, but so what? Half of the argument from your side has been along the lines of, “You just need to show your driver’s license,” to which I have been incessantly ignored when I reply, “Driver’s licenses don’t prove legal residence!” Well, now the governor that signed the bill agrees with me.
You should have hesitated even longer. I have often found when I am about to post something that I hesitate to post, that there is a good reason I am hesitating. I have found that when I do hit “Submit Reply” on such a post, I usually regret it, and when I don’t submit it, I don’t regret not submitting it.
Mulling over till the next day gives me an opportunity to think a little more, to word it a little better, and, frankly, sometimes to not post it at all.
None whatsoever. I absolutely identified it as a hypothetical, made up.
That would be the point of my hypothetical question, though - what if, in this particular case, there were no actual Hispanic children at the school?
I don’t even know how to answer this. Yes, no, what of it? Since I obviously think what these yahoos were doing was terrible, I have weighed on on the bad aspects of the exclusion side.
Sure - it’s an obvious real-world example of the idiocy of the demands to remove the Hispanic child… he wasn’t a mascot, or a generic attempt at “inclusiveness” – he was an actual student. In fact, that’s kind of what my hypothetical rests on: I’m asking you if there were no, or vanishingly few, actual students that looked Hispanic, how would you feel about a requirement to portray one? What if, in other words, the “real student” argument did not favor your position? Would it be as compelling as it is in the real-world case?
Right. well, now there’s a bit of clarity. Out-of-state drivers’ licenses do not prove legal residence; Arizona drivers’ licenses do.
I’m trying to explore how compelling the “real student” argument is. Obviously, in the actual case in front of us, the real student is cause to say, “Leave the mural alone.”
Now I want to explore the reverse set of facts: there is no actual Hispanic student at the school; it’s lily-white. Is the “real student” argument still convincing?
You’re literally saying “I am absolutely handwaving and attempting to distract and derail the discussion. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.” How is anyone supposed to respond to that?
Can someone explain/clarify this? When I moved to AZ 7 years ago all I had to do was basically show my NC license to get an AZ one. If this has changed, it wouldn’t matter too much, considering that my license doesn’t need to be renewed until 2046. And that’s not a typo. Twenty forty-six.
Images of white people bombard blacks and Latinos (and Asian and other minorities) way out of proportion of their true numbers, so my response to these whiners would be “Welcome to the world of Everyone Else. Take your seat and STFU”.
Sorry, but a single mural that depicts a tanned little boy doesn’t come anywhere close to the overexposure given to Caucasian faces–not just in the US but worldwide. No sympathy should be given to these self-entitled, etho-centric idiots. Not in a society where stores still market pale hosiery as nude.
If there’s a school in Arizona with no minority children in it at all I’d be a bit worried about the local school board’s busing policy.
Distracting and derailing a conversation has become* Sine qua non* for Bricker of late. Perhaps he’s testing out a new debate technique on us.
Well, this ought to get interesting. I’ll be curious to see how quickly things move now.