Illegal immigrants are not illegal? I take it you believe that there should be no immigration restrictions in this country whatsoever…?
I don’t support this law because of all the potentials for abuse already listed. But I have no problem deporting known illegal immigrants, and no problem taking serious measures to close the border (including building a fence) so that we can better regulate legal immigration into this country. Anyone agree?
What on earth are you trying to point out with the bolding? The two statements you’ve bolded are unrelated.
It’s interesting that only right-leaning blindly ideological folks seem to think this is a good idea. It’s almost like those people are very likely to be irrational angry douchebags. 
Also, Bricker, aren’t you Hispanic? If you’re stopped with your family as you’re walking into a restaurant, is that okay with you? What if you’re talking in Spanish on the telephone and a cop interrupts and asks for your driver’s license? What if you don’t have your driver’s license with you, because you forgot to put it back in your wallet after taking it out for something? You okay with sitting in jail for a bit while you sort this out?
I assume you think this is your civic duty? And that it’s perfectly okay that only people stupid enough to be born dusky should shoulder this duty? My mom is brown and talks with a Hawaiian Pidgin accent. I suppose if she doesn’t bring her ID at all times in Arizona she deserves to spend time in jail, right?
This is an appeal to your self-interest by the way, since you aren’t very likely to be convinced by the interests of other people (I’m basing that on your sociopathic comments in the health care threads).
That’s a poor analogy. You’re talking about a single event. And when you look at the tiny number of guilty people compared to the population at large (even in your “identify conservative” group), taking such steps would make no sense. But it should by one of the factors considered. Just as when a serial murder is being looked for. People who tend to be serial murderers are, in fact, white.
Have we learned nothing from Casablanca?
Huh?
Sure we do. If I leave the keys in my car and you steal it, are you not guilty of auto theft? Now I do agree that we have been complicit in allowing the problem to get as big as it is. But that doesn’t mean that we should start taking steps to curtail illegal immigration and deport those who are here when we find them.
I see you live in North Carolina. You don not have a border with Mexico. I think this law makes particular sense for Arizona, New Mexico, California and Texas. Increasingly less so for states like Maine. Or North Carolina.
FYI, I just started a thread in GD to discuss the legality of this law.
Yeah, Maine doesn’t have an international border with a country of brown-skinned people.
What is being done illegally? Would you deny that the vast majority—probably over 98%—of illegals that reside in Arizona are hispanic? If you decide to go after illegals, won’t you be going after people are hispanic. And if you do that, doesn’t it make sense that the people you target would be hispanic? If I’m looking for people involved in an Aryan meth ring, shouldn’t I be looking at whites?
Point me to the law that they are breaking by being here in this country.
Absolutely not. The idea of a fence thoroughly disgusts me. Totalitarian regimes build fences. Prisons have fences. The land of the free, home of the brave should not have a fence.
Are you saying you don’t know anything about the Mexican American War, or are you saying that we are indeed guilty of stealing this land?
They are related. It shows that 1) of the Opponents of this laws, which contains Hispanic groups, that 2) 46% do NOT share the concern that it will wind up violating the rights of some U.S. citizens.
Do you not understand that there are brown people whose ancestors have been here for a thousand years? What the fuck right do we have to ask them to prove they’re allowed to be on this land? Is the idea of a free society for everybody COMPLETELY over your head? This is racial harassment, pure and simple.
Right. And a poodle and a tiger both have four paws, a tail and teeth, so I should be equally afraid of both of them. Gotcha.
Read for comprehension:
That’s saying 46% of voters do not think it will lead to racial profiling, not 46% of opponents. The first sentence is linking opponents and 53% of voters, but opponents and 46% of voters are not linked.
I was saying that I didn’t understand your first point and that whether or not we stole any land is a different point. Though I’m not surprised that you would try to change the subject.
You are correct. My mistake. The cite I provided does not indicate what percent of hispanic residents, if any, are unconcerned about this law. Thanks for pointing out my error.
I didn’t change the subject, you’re just a dumbass. And a hateful, small person. And you probably have a diminutive, crooked, non-functional dick. I hope the next law like this targets you and you get arrested.
It would seem that the illegal residents would avoid Arizona and the legals would be the ones that are harassed if they are of a Hispanic looking nationality.
It’s a dumb law. I agree that illegal immigration is a problem, but I seriously doubt this will do anything to solve it. The problem is an economic one. If there were no jobs here but there were in Canada, you better believe I would be heading north regardless of what laws Canada had. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I would do anything short of theft and murder to feed my family.
Arizona is turning into a cartoon caricature of a totalitarian state; just walking down the sidewalk you never know when a government operative is going to approach you asking for your papers. What’s next, internment camps?