No, I said that I didn’t know of any, but I did admit that there might be some. Now I have learned differently. TRY to read what I actually wrote, and don’t change what I said. Don’t read what I write through your own biases. My point was, and remains, that Mexicans (and Hispanics) are not a race, and they certainly don’t have a uniform skin color. They come in different colors. Being anti-illegal immigration is not the same as being racist.
I have a two bedroom, one bathroom house. Right now, there are only two humans living in it. Possibly this house could accommodate up to 10 adult humans living in it, but it would be quite crowded and inconvenient. We’d probably have to convert the den and library into bedrooms, and we’d have to either add on at least another half bath (sink and toilet only), and preferably two half baths, and expand the kitchen in order to do so. However, I don’t really feel the need to take in ANY more people into this house. Doing so would reduce my standard of living…especially if we didn’t see any more money coming in. Possibly I’d be willing to take in one or two other people, especially if they could pay their own way, not just in the day-to-day living expenses, but to upgrade the infrastructure. Nor do I feel that my country should take in just anybody who wants to come in. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to set limits on how many people can come in, and require them to show that they can support themselves, and to show that they can help improve the country. Just being willing to do manual labor isn’t enough. We’ve got more than enough people who will do that already.
Emigrating to the US to become a permanent legal resident or citizen is not some sort of entitlement, it’s a privilege, and it needs to be earned. The US, as a country, has the right to decide who it will allow to visit, and who it will allow to become members of its society.
The whole country is not your house. You don’t own it. You don’t own MY house. If I want to associate with Mexicans, it’s not YOUR property right to tell me, or they, that this is not permissible.
The fucking idiotic analogy of anti-immigration sentiment to property rights rests on a fundamental misunderstanding of what property is and an implication that only those who dislike Mexicans own property, while those who are not racist fucks somehow have no say in who is allowed to live in their neighborhoods or work in their economy.
Because you’re a racist.
Countries do not have any rights whatsoever, especially not the right to tell me who I may or may not have social or business relations with.
To assign or deny rights based on whether one happens to have been born on the right side of an arbitrary line on a map (which was, of course, determined by the U.S. waging a war of conquest against Mexico in the first place) is to make a mockery of the very concept of inalienable human rights, much like basing laws on your desire not to live near Mexicans is.
:rolleyes: Can’t you at least by a jackass with some creativity. So sad.
And, of course, even if I were a homophobe, that would have squat to do with anchor babies in Arizona. But the profoundly dumb wouldn’t understand that. Isn’t that right DMC?
Please explain to me how disliking an illegal activity is racist. There’s no one race that is the only race that engages in that activity, and there’s no one race that DOESN’T engage in that activity. If someone likes fried chicken and fruit flavored soda, is that person automatically African American? If someone is involved in organized crime, is that person automatically a male American of recent Sicilian descent?
A racist is someone who dislikes or outright hates other people just because they are of a particular race. I don’t dislike or hate other people based on their race, but on what they do. Seems to me that I’m exactly the opposite of a racist.
Someone who proclaims that all Americans are obliged to welcome illegal immigrants…well, seems to me that this person has an entitlement complex.
I never said that you can’t or shouldn’t associate with Mexicans. Hell, I associate with Mexicans, and descendants of Mexicans. I don’t CARE if you do or not, as long as you and they are obeying all applicable laws. This includes immigration laws, and it also includes laws such as not bribing people up to not murdering people. Breaking laws tends to make for a more violent, dangerous society, and I don’t want my society to become more violent and dangerous than it is already. We don’t get to pick and choose which laws we will break without consequences. I’m somewhat politically active, but I don’t break the laws of the land while I’m active, I try to change from within.
My next door neighbors are Mexican, for the most part. If I didn’t want to live near them, then I’d move. Either I’d move across town, or I’d move across the country. For the most part, I like my neighbors, except when they play excessively loud music, or when they let their dogs run loose in the neighborhood. But that sort of behavior is not limited to Mexicans, or to any people in particular.
As a legal immigrant I’ve never understood why I’m supposed to resent illegal immigrants. I feel sorry for them. Who wants to live like that, having to deal with coyotes and border agents and immigration officials and living your life in fear of that knock on the door? I certainly wouldn’t. I’m sure the overwhelming majority of them would have taken the course I took if it was open to them.
Why shouldn’t they? It was spoken in Arizona before yours was.
Yes. But in this society, we don’t regard the mere personal ownership of property as an unfettered license to do what you please within its borders. You understand that you cannot have sex with a 13-year-old and say, in defense, “The whole country is not your house. You don’t own it. You don’t own MY house. If I want to have sex with 13-year-olds, it’s not YOUR property right to tell me, or they, that this is not permissible.”
As part of society, you are bound by the social contract to observe the law of the land. And that law includes limits on immigration, and criminalizes the actions of those who flout those limits.
How fucking nice. Use an illegal entry/pedophile analogy to make your point. Next time compare them to rapists. You are a real gem.
BTW you mentioned that your father immigrated from El Salvador legally .I asked once before and you conveniently didn’t answer but what were the circumstances of his immigration? Political refugee?
As has been observed several times already, the law does not criminalize those actions. Entering the country illegally is a civil infraction, not a crime.
My guess: Bricker Senior fled El Salvador one step ahead of revolutionaries who wanted his reactionary head. (With a suitcase full of stolen money.) Perhaps accusations of pedophilia were involved.
Or maybe Bricker will let us know the “true” story.
Concerning another thread: Sometimes “xenophobe” is a more exact word than “racist.” But either word could apply when describing people upset by their loud-music-playing, dog-owning neighbors.
Well, yeah, but it also might not. My loud-music-playing, dog-owning neighbors are white rednecks. I will murder Travis Tritt if I ever meet that son of a bitch.
How is the true story relevant? You’d have only my word for it anyway. If it supports your theories, you’ll accept it; it it doesn’t, you’ll demand cites or claim I’m lying. Right?
Bricker and RNATB: I recall the situation now. It was during the time when we were beating a moribund equine on the difference between “illegal alien” and “undocumented non-citizen resident”.
To make it simple, entering the country illegally is a criminal act, as noted by Bricker (misdemeanor, IIRC; right?). But simply being in this country without official permission, as a non-citizen, is a simple civil violation. And it’s easy to construct a scenario in which one enters the country legally but at some point becomes an “undocumentd alien” – sometimes even without any criminal intent, as when a student arranges for an extension of a student visa to which he/she is entitled by law, and the paperwork he/she submits is not processed in the necessary interval. Overstaying a visa, erroneously believing one had complied with relevant regulations… there can be a rather long list of reasons why someone entering the country legally might at some point be in at least technical violation of the law in remaining here.
It could be relevant if your father had entered illegally and later somehow achieved legal migrant status. There were groups helping Central Americans enter illegally and staying here until legal determinations were made on their status. Your father wasn’t one of these illegal aliens, was he?
That may all be true but I don’t think they refuse birth certificates to the babies born in Mexico.
The only reason i bring up the family reunification stuff is because people keep saying things like “well they should just get here legally” My point is that there is no opportunity for most of them to get there legally but there is plenty of opportunity for them to get here illegally so they do. You stop pretending that they can enter legally and I am willing to repeat my prior statement that we cannot open our borders to all who wish to come here because tehre are just too many that want to come here.