Depends. Certainly it’s not beyond the bounds of fair commentary to say the incarcerated aliens “crowd our prisons,” if we’re talking about federal prisons. Equally obviously, it’s unfair to say that about the entire prison population.
So we started with a claim that was, at best, too unspecific to evaluate. Fear Itself offered some data to evaluate it, and I added some additional data. Now we have a complete picture instead of an inchoate, baseless claim: our total prison population is not “crowded” with aliens, at 6.4 percent, but the federal system could be described that way, with 27 percent.
Depends. How many alien federal prisoners are illegal? That was the context of the original claim. At the state level, it is not really relevant, because the 4.6% for alien prisoners is already quite low. But the significance of the 27% federal alien prisoner figure is speculative, because we do not know how many of those are here illegally.
Good point. If 26% of the federal prison population is aliens already in violation of immigration law before their crime, then it’s meaningful; if 1 percent of the federal prison population is aliens already in violation of immigration law before their crime, then it’s useless.
OK so we’ve settled on 5%? Since I’m a know nothing Miss Burke, do YOU know the cost of running all the prisons in the U.S.? I’m pretty sure that 5% of that WOULD be a signifigant number no? Just like always the people on here want to minimize everything, which leads me to believe they haven’t been affected by illegals and the constant flow of hispanics in the U.S. Give it time, at the rate it’s going, Curious Georges’ statement that they only want the meanial,low paying jobs will no longer be true.It’s only a matter of time until they want YOUR job, and they just might get it(not because they are better suited for it,but because they are a minority) then what? As an American union contractor I am forced to hire minorities, but I have seen many of 100% hispanic companies that are not forced to hire the real minority(American flag flying,English speaking,lets leave some summer jobs for college kids instead of hiring a bunch of mexicans,hard working Americans!!!) P.S. before you read this with blinders on…I said Americans, not hard working white men only, so I just wanted to emphasize that before you turn it around and make me look like a white supremesist. As I’ve stated before I’m all for LEGAL immigration.It’s what made this country great in the first place.I can sympathize with wanting to leave a horrible way of life for the promise of a better way of life. What I do not understand is not wanting to participate in what made it a better way of life.If I were to leave a shit job for a better condition and better paying job, should I bring all the shit from the one that I left?..JUst a thought
What we have above is an example of a failure to communicate. I’m fairly certain I saw some English phrases in that post; however, they didn’t seem to actually point to anything.
Let me guess: You’re one of those “English Only” folks. Too bad you obviously failed every English class you ever took. Your piss-poor spelling, usage & formatting will not convince anybody here at the Liberal Elitist SDMB to give you more than a sneer.
You also flunked History: Read up on the Know Nothings.
aNd tHaTs WhAt i is talkin bout U pic little stuff out so u dont have 2 look at the big picture> r u such an elitist that u must comment on puntuation and english? MS. BURKE. maybe ther is a reason y its MS. BURKE and will always be MS. BURKE. lofl. FYI i havent had to conjugate a verb since enlish class,so that was a waste of many hours> but i do have a few ideas as to what u can do with my dangling paticiple
Yes. Cheap produce. Cheap labor. All sorts of wonderful benefits of a capitalistic society. Artificial restrictions on the labor market raise prices and increase unemployment. Why are you anti-free markets?
Yeah, isn’t America great? Unlike nations that came before, people aren’t locked into the lower caste. They can come here as menial workers, arrive at the very lowest rung of the socioeconomic ladder, but since the law (in theory) treats all people equally, just a generation or two later the wonderful country is enriched by immigrants’ presence and a generation of immigrants begins to enrich themselves on the greatness that is this land of opportunity. That upward mobility is what made our country an industrial power.
Not sure you look like a white supremacist. Ignorant, yes. Lacking historical perspective? Clearly. Painfully short of rudimentary critical thinking skills? Certainly.
Somehow I think that you think there is nothing in this world that is superior to your way of thinking about anything. however(did I forget a capital lofl) I do understand supply and demand, and the reason there are no supply of jobs in THIS country is because no one demands that ILLEGALS get deported. P.S. Bricker I don’t think she cares if he’s mexican, but he better make sure he uses the right fork for his salad or he’s in a world of shit.I can go on all day, and your silly jabs do not hurt my feelings… luckily I erect high rise bldgs. and bridges and most people of all nationalities are afraid of heights. So i am not worried about your gardener taking my job.But I do worry about him coming around while your on vacation and emptying the contents of your house… gl
No, the reason there is no supply of jobs in this country is because we’re in a recession. There were lots of jobs before the recession, and there were more illegals.
In addition to grammar, you fail at identifying cause and effect.
I’m glad you’ve taken my advice; this message is almost readable.
Why aren’t those who hire illegal aliens given stiff fines & jail time?
By the way: I do my own gardening. But I do eat out occasionally & most restaurant kitchens are full of Mexicans–legal & not. Knowing this, I’m sure *you *cook all your own food. (Or let The Little Woman do it.)
The discrepancy between these numbers seems surprisingly large. Is there any information about what federal crimes these immigrants are being held for? If most are being held for immigration issues, than the argument would seem rather circular. Even if its for drug trafficking this is hardly surprising. One would expect extra nationals to be more likely to be involved in extra-national smuggling, but it doesn’t say anything against the guy working as a busboy.
It’s sort of a circular argument, but sort of not. The numbers are low in state prisons because suspects who are also illegal aliens may simply be handed over to ICE without wasting time trying them for minor non-immigration-related crimes.
The numbers are high in federal prisons because lots of them are immigration violators. On the other hand, they have to do something besides enter the country illegally to be in federal prison, since otherwise they’d be in federal custody (or already deported).