Nope, that 18-year-old would have to write away for a certified copy of his birth certificate and then use it to apply for a US passport. Same as it would work now.
Under the proposed law, the relevant Arizona authority could refuse to provide it.
Well, my guess then is that the US State Department would come up with alternate procedures for passport issuance, just as they do now in cases in which people have no birth certificates. Generally this involves secondary documentation (hospital birth records, affidavits, that sort of thing). I don’t think the Feds would be too happy about state attempts to circumvent things like Federal passport issuing authority or determinations of citizenship.
But the question was if they get this passed… . Isn’t the law saying that Arizona will not/does not have to issue the birth certificate to the child of an illegal immigrant?
Since states set the standards for documentation, is the ‘unsettled’ bit what level and quality of documentation they can be compelled to issue?
Arizona is getting less tempting to snowbird to almost daily.
They can’t just refuse to record the birth. That would give rise to all kinds of potential issues.
The hospital will still maintain a record of the birth; the Department of Vital Statistics (or whatever Arizona agency keeps such records) will maintain a record of the birth. They just wouldn’t issue a birth certificate.
They’ll come up with some other document, like a Certificate of Nonresident Alien Birth or somesuch, and then have a bitchfest when it turns out that said document is accepted as a birth certificate by every agency that matters.
Let me get this straight: You’re fine with being a pompous, insensitive jerk because you’ve been fortunate enough to find a message board full of other pompous, insensitive jerks.
And even here you still stand out as a pompous, insensitive jerk.
As one of the slightly less insensitive jerks here, I’d like to point out that when you realize that you’re a pompous, insensitive jerk, you have a choice. You can say "Ha, ha. By being a pompous, insensitive jerk, I pissed off a bunch of other jerks. I’m the man!"
Or you can learn from the experience, and become a better person.
(Well, at least a less pompous, more sensitive soon-to-be-ex-jerk).
Non-pompous non-jerks are only allowed in MPSIMS. Board Rules, man.
God forbid, where would I get my best entertainment from?
Maybe you’d like it better here.
The best part about this story is that Gov. Brewer has already set aside a quarter-million dollars to try to fix Arizona’s image after their* last* bit of immigration legislation.
With all due respect to your undoubtedly keen ability to judge the jerkiness of posts, I just don’t see my post as a particularly bad or jerky one.
Sorry.
How would you know?
I suspect Bricker may be more qualified than anyone to opine as to how jerkish he thinks his posts are.
I’ll go along with that. Bricker is unquestionably the world’s foremost authority regarding his opinion of himself generally. Which is probably true for the rest of us as well.
And that is the problem, in a nutshell. It’s why we need a Constitutional Amendment redefining citizenship to include the requirement that at least one of the parents must be a citizen.
You’re right. You’ve been pretty good here.
That’s what’s ironic. You’ve been remarkably non-jerky in this thread, and I even agree with most of what you’ve said. I was basing my blanket diss-fest on years of other posts. So I sorta-apologize…
And it’s not just you*. I was also thinking of [list removed for exceeding Creative Loafing bandwidth-rate word-count].
And I included myself.
*but feel free to do that “becoming a better person” thing…
Who is this “we” of which you speak? I think the Constitutional definition of citizenship is just fine.
How is the current situation causing you harm?