What did the Pope’s small moves mean when he watched these half-naked acrobats?
You mention you came to your Catholic faith “late in life”; would you mind sharing your religious background prior to your conversion, and that of your parents since you believe this is an indicator to someone’s sincerity about their faith?
In the early 80’s, Papa JP abolished the Devil’s Advocate role in investigating potential saints.
As a result of this reform, he was soon able to canonize 500 and beatify 1,300 people in his tenure. (Including the Poisonous Albanian Dwarf) Compared this to only 98 canonizations from all of his predecessors in the 20th century.
This new breed of “Saint-Lite” gives to me a hint of a ‘playing to the crowds’ gesture in so much as to garner local support as is also the recent shift in emphasis as to “souls” of stillborns not going to limbo ( as taught when I was a catholic) to trust in the mercy of god!
That latter also seems to be a response to the desertion of bereaved catholic parents in Africa to Islam (where their teaching doesn’t penalise stillborns. )
As a conservative catholic how do you view these develeopments?
This is silly. Limbo was never a teaching of the church, (although it was taught by various Catholics), but simply theological speculation that never made it to the level of actual doctrine. I don’t know any informed Catholic who still believed in Limbo dating back to the 1960s.
A google search on International Theological Commission Souls of stillborns
Shows it was very much in the news right up to last year. Although the various links still show that the report can be interpreted either way.
this link Where is my stillborn daughter? | BabyCenter
Quotes a Zenith piece from a council member who says the position of Limbo may be defensible. ( warning the thread is extremely upsetting dealing with the subject of stillborn children and parents suffering terrible anxiety)
However, being out of any catholic theology discussion groups for many many years am not really sure how mainstream catholics view these Theological bodies.
But I would hold that their makeup is generally informed catholics
1 The Catholic Church is very specific in teaching that other Christian communities live the life of grace and the word of God and that God uses those communities as means of salvation (see 817, 818, 819). It also teaches that even non-Chriastians can be saved (see 847).
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The earth is old of course. Only ther most extremists Fundie believes in a 10,000 year old earth.
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Yes I beliebve in Papal Infallibility. That is Dei fide (read this).
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Obviously I believe the reformers were wrong in the extreme regarding theology & doctrine. Beyond that I don’t think much of them one way or the other, good or bad. They were men of their times.
Sorry, but you are just wrong. Period. If I was 18 years old and I had sex with a guy that was 14, would I be a pedophile or a homosexual? A homosexual of course.
Pedophelia involves sex with pre-pubescent children. As I have aleady stated, the cases overwhelmingly involved young men, around 14. That is not pedophelia. Period. (see post #56).
No, you would be a rapist.
My competance? Perhaps.
But since I merely offer what the 2000-year-old Church says on the subject, my source has the greatest of competance. Unless you think the Pope & Magestirium are an incompetant source. If you do that it is you, not I, who suffers from a dearth of competance.
Yes, if it were forced, that would be true.
But still not a pedophile.
And THAT was my point.
Do you know anything about math? From your cite, 40% of the cases are 14 or older. I’m no mathematician, but I do believe that 40% is less than half, meaning that your use of the word “overwhelmingly” is incorrect. Are you familiar with the term “willfully obtuse”?
Yes but what I’m asking is whethere there are any you identify more closely with. For example, I identify closely with both Jesuits and Franciscans (no surprise, both orders are highly influential in my area and my father’s side of the family has studied at the Jesuits since they opened their first school), but tend to break in hives when in the presence of an Augustin and would cause hives to Opus Dei novices.
Ah, and I’m one of those Catholics who believe in social justice, pleasedtomeetya. My house was built by a coop organized by the local priest in the 1960s, a part of the social justice movement which was very big in Spain.
This is the last time I will address this. I started this thread to talk about Catholic teaching, not the sins of individal people I do not know. Nobody here is free of sin, and I mean NOBODY.
I just said that “Pedophelia involves sex with pre-pubescent children”. So you can drops that age number lower that 14… ..WAY lower. I simply threw out “14” as one example.
Also, I said earlier: “Now mind you, I AM NOT EXCUSING THE PRIESTS AT ALL. But, you cannot fix a problem if you don’t know the root of the problem, and it was not pedophelia (although there were a few instances of that as well.)”
Now, if you people can’t get your heads out of the gutter and address the topic then I’ll just ask that the thread be closed, and I’ll walk away having learned a valuable lesson (one which I have learned before but apparently forgot).
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Sorry, I misunderstood. I suppose I identify with the Redemptorist spirituality, which palces heavy emphasis on the sacraments.
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Well the Church HAS a social doctrine, so in a sense ALL Catholics believe in social justice. My point eartlier was that these doctrines have been perverted by some Catholics in order to advance a particular agenda. This is no secret.
If the Heterosexual Lifestyle (whatever that is) doesn’t involve statutory rape, then why would the Homisexual Lifestyle (whatever that is)?
Do your beliefs on sexuality inform your religious views, or is it the other way around?
see post #193
You’re playing word games.
A 14 year old is not capable of consent. Force doesn’t matter.
Heterosexual refers to the general gender attraction. That appellation is not relevant here because the rapist is preying on children that cannot give consent. The issue is not the gender they’re attracted to, but the age.
Your hair splitting fails any reasonable test of meaning. It does fit the profile of an apologist however.
I see that nobody - or almost nobody - wants to address the thread topic, so I’ll ask the Mod to close the thread.
For the people who asked sincere questions about my beliefs, I thank you for your questions.
**For those who want more info, try this: **http://www.catholic.com/library/pillar.asp
Yes, that post does not address let alone answer my questions. Do I understand correctly, then, that you refuse to elaborate in your comments here about a ‘homosexual lifestyle’ and/or your views on sexuality and their relationship with your religious views
Thank you.