I’m sorry that you feel that way, but your view on the nature of of these heinous crimes, and the nature of homosexuality is, in my humble opinion, inherently wrong. I am a lapsed Catholic, and though I’m not gay, I am empathetic to their struggles against those that deem them to be evil, or flawed (more so than all others, as all of us are imperfect). The Church’s treatment of this group of people is one of the main reasons why I have left the flock. So, in any discussion of Catholicism and the Church, for me at least, this is a major point to be talked about, not one to be dismissed because it’s beneath you.
I truly believe that if Jesus were alive in this day and age, he would be on their side in this “fight”.
So what’s the deal with gay marriage? Why does anyone try to oppose it gaining legal recognition? What do you think will happen if it becomes legal across the entire U.S.?
Assuming, of course, the OP hasn’t abandoned the thread.
**Chastity and homosexuality **
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
source: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm
Yeah well, everybody is called to chastity. But the majority of heterosexuals aren’t required to have it.
I get that the Vatican has an official policy on the matter, but as a self-described conservative, what’s your stand on the consequences of the legality of gay marriage?
Yes they are.
And for the record: A mortal sin is a mortal sin. Their sin’s are no worse than mine. But I admit mine are sins, they don’t, and therein lies the problem (from a Catholic POV that is).
The reason this issue gets so much ink spilled over it as opposed to the sins of heterosexuials is because, as they say, “The squeeky wheel gets the grease”. If heterosexuials organized big parades with colorful flags promoting adultery or masturbation or whatever, they’d be getting just as much attention.
Personally? I’d say let them have something that gives them the same rights, hospital visitation, taxes, etc. But do not call it marriage.
You see, that is the agenda here. They want to change the definition of the word. If it was all about the rights of a couple… ..heck, a lot of states grant them that already. But that’s NOT what its about. Its about something far more nefarious.
And… is that a bad thing? Words get redefined and expanded all the time. Heck, “bit” was a perfectly good word before the computer people got hold of it and added their contribution, and it remains a perfectly good word afterward.
And that is what, exactly? How will it manifest, and when?
Can’t be done, the word has legal meaning. And doing so is an insult anyway, it’s a way of telling homosexuals that they are so “evil” that they aren’t allowed to do something that even serial killers are allowed to do.
No, it’s about people wanting to get married. The opposition to single sex marriage on the other hand is about nothing but bigotry and malice. Purely a matter of evil, without a single redeeming characteristic.
Yeah, we get it, Trihs. Meantime, I’m trying to ask the OP’s opinion rather than pre-emptively assuming it’s an evil opinion. I hope that’ll be your one contribution on the subject in this thread, seeing as I don’t expect (based on observation and experience) that you ever vary from that recital, and it doesn’t improve with repetition.
It’s a very one sided dispute. There’s been the occasional thread where anti-SSM people are challenged to come up with a reasonable argument for their side; none ever have.
No, its about God.
You think God is a bigot?
Remember the premise of this thread. If you want to reject Christianity and Christian belief, that of course is your own affair. But do not sit there and tell me my Christian values are all about bigotry. That very statement reveals your OWN anti-Christian bigotry, and ignorance as well.
I know, I know, and in all honesty I have no expectation that terry will have anything original to offer on the subject, either. I just like the process more than skipping to the end.
As typically described, yes. If your god hates homosexuals, then he’s just as bigoted as anyone else who hates homosexuals.
You do realize that not all Christians agree with you? Including the homosexual ones who want to get married?
Bigoted values are bigoted whether or not they are “Christian values” or any other sort.
Thats absurd. That’s like saying I have nothing to new to offer on the molecular makeup of water, there for talking about water is a waste of time.
What do you expect me to do, elaborate on the blatantly obvious? You think I can do better than God? Homoseuxual activity is a violation of Divine Law and Natural Law. Laws that defy morality are immoraw laws. That is why abortion is immoral and wrong, regardless of what the Courts say. Homosexual activity too is immoral and wrong, depite what Liberal heathens say.
But its all good man. At some point down the road we will ALL know who was right and who was wrong, and I personally do not fear THAT day in the slightest.
And…he’s gone. He posted another copy-and-paste OP that got disappeared.
Oh, well… I gave it a shot. And here I am an atheist liberal (well, a Canadian moderate, which makes me a liberal by U.S. standards) who was willing to engage the OP, so he can’t make any absolute claims about us on this board to the effect that we’re all out to get him or something.
Eh, he had “Internet martyr” written all over him; he’s probably talking right now about how the evil atheist Commie liberal SDMB banned him because they couldn’t handle the Truth.
What’s with this argument lately? “You’re calling me a bigot? Well you’re a bigot for calling me a bigot!” Sorry, but calling someone out for intolerance is not an equivalent act of intolerance, any more than arresting someone for kidnapping is an equivalent act of kidnapping.
And I appreciate your attempt to hide behind God (“It’s not me! It’s God! Are you calling God a bigot, you bigot?”) but I’m afraid it is you. And frankly it saddens me that you consider God to be so petty.
[On preview] Alas, poor terry. Now he’ll be left to stew in his own worldview with no one to martyr him, the poor persecuted Catholic.
SDMB: Internet Hairshirt.
Well, with any luck, his God will punish him sooner or later. Or he’ll punish himself for the guilt he feels for not living up the standards of his God.