I love Dylan as much as the next man. I didn’t put my finger on it immediately though, for which I am disappointed in myself. 
Especially considering I just quoted the same song, just a few lines before it, a few posts back in this thread. :smack:
Glad to hear it! Can’t wait for your impressions. Carl Sagan starts out a bit slowly in that he’s establishing where he is in his thinking and love of science. If you’ll stick with him I think it’s something you’ll be gald you made part of your synoptic view.
Please let me know how it’s going once in awhile.
Strinka- If you are still subscribed to this thread, I was wondering how you are coming with the Carl Sagan book?
You know, now that I think of it, what texts have you read on atheism, Strinka? I could recommend a few available on line, but I don’t want to recommend ones you’ve read before.
You should recommend some to me 
I’m on chapter 13, page 239. I didn’t respond before, because I wasn’t done with it.
I don’t think I’ve ever read any books that were specifically about atheism, although I have read books in which it is a theme. The Salmon of Doubt by Douglas Adams, The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins(which is about evolution, but it does punch holes in theistic arguments against it) Several of Robert Sawyer’s novels have some element of atheism/theism in them. To name a few: Calculating God, Hominids, Humans, and Hybrids (a trilogy). That’s all I can think of at the moment. I’ll tell you any more I think of.
And Godless by Pete Hauteman. I really didn’t like that book though.
Hmmmm…ok. For starters, The Happy Heretic, Judith Hayes has some great books out, available on her website, or in print. . I was in Philidelphia a few years ago and bought one from a used book store run by the library there. Please note that when pointing out the evils of a religion, she can get quite graphic in describing the effect of catholic birth control rules on a friend.
You can find here column in archived format on The Pilate Project, a:
Needless to say, it also contains many other books that discuss relevant issues, such as The Skeptic’s Annotated Bible, an un-annotated bible, and selected works of Robert Ingersoll.
Also, there is E Haldeman Julius (1889-1951) who wrote a fantastic number of books of educational material in general topics and also said:
I could link to them, but I think you should buy them here.
Also, baltimorean Robert Green Ingersoll can be found all over the internaet and in public libraries. Here they are, but first, please readthis.
I site I found it on has a huge amount of text, but beware, it is quite easy to look for good, personal accounts and instead find dry, philosophical comparisons. I may list some recomended text from it later. The home page is here while recommended parts are here, here, and here.
Not to be a dick about it, but that seems to me orders of magnitude more sophisticated than “Mom said so.” Indeed, I don’t know of anyone who has ever come up with an effective counterargument, despite centuries of them trying.
–Cliffy
Sorry, specifically a counterargument to #2.
–Cliffy, again
Wow. What a truely GREAT post. Well thought out and wonderfully supported at no-small-amount of work involved. Nicely done Scott_plaid
Thank you very much, Scott_plaid. I appreciate the links and information.
::Blushes::
Well, I hate to interrupt the Scott Plaid love-in (a term I recall being used by my father’s friends for self-congratory gatherings of hippies, used jokingly on themselves, since they were hippies), but I thought people would like to see how like minded individuals feel about current events, so I figured I would link to a few good blogs (biographical logs) belonging to atheists.
Internet talk show host, The Infidel Guy, not really a blog:
a journey from evangelical christianity to atheism:
faith dissolved
Random thoughts of an angry progressive atheist author:
writer@large
a film maker:
doesn’t always focus on major news events, but on important news:
Trip Reports from Imaginary Places
Oh, and since the last few posters had such nice words to say, I thought they might want to know who they are talking to: 三分PK拾-主页 It’s no glamour shot, but it does the job.
Infidel Guy has been one of my favorites for some time, though I usually forget to ever check in and listen. I can especially appreciate the faith dissolved link, as I am a former fundamentalist christian. All these links give me something productive to do at “work”.
I finished The Demon-Haunted World. I thought it was excellent. Most of his baloney detection kit I actually learned here. The whole book is too long and extensive to say everything I thought about it, but if you ask me about a specific chapter I would be happy to tell you my opinion on that. And, of course, if there are any new, unrelated questions anyone feels like asking me, I’ll answer those too.
Strinka- Glad to hear you enjoyed the book. The insights and clear thought were refreshing to me. I have undertaken to re-read it lately but have had little time to dedicate to it. I hope you will pass on the recommendation to someone you encounter that you think may benefit from it.
Hope to hear more from you in the near future.
Nicodemus2004
P.S. Lately I heard someone refer to themselves as a “Saganologist”.
I kinda like that.
Yeah, because I’ve heard that Joisey is paradise on earth. :rolleyes:
Hey, Princteon is.
And a person whose dog up and dies doesn’t become an atheist. He becomes a blues singer.
Or Mr. Bojangles.