I didn’t know that site existed…but then again I hadn’t gone looking for it either
I knew about a few of the people listed but I didn’t know about the majority of them.
I’m guessing some of you that will look at the site will wonder what the ring with the letters “CTR” is all about.
I’m trying to remember what age the children are when the class is taught (I think it’s about the age of 4 or 5) the little children are taught “Choose The Right”… a phrase they can memorize and think of when they are faced with making difficult decisions about what is right and what is wrong.
CTR rings have become popular LDS jewelry for members of the Church…not just little kids, as a reminder to Choose The Right.
Heh. [pointless story] When I was a kid, we lived in Bakersfield, and my grandmother had a pool. We used to spend a whole lot of Sunday afternoons over there, swimming. (I don’t think it ever occured to my parents, who are both converts, to try to keep 4 kids out of the pool on a 110 degree Sunday.) When I got to college and visited some LDS friends for the weekend, I suggested we jump into their pool after church, but only got weird looks and an “We don’t swim on Sundays.” Oh. It had never occured to me that swimming might not be a perfectly appropriate Sunday activity, right up there with reading good books and visiting the sick. [/pointless story]
BTW, phantom, are you sure that Rick Schroeder is LDS? I know his wife is, but I don’t think he is himself. Like Larry King.
genie my Aunt who was the best example of a LDS person who would be going to the Celestial Kingdom, I have ever met in my life also lived in Bakersfield.
I spent a lot of time there (still remember the blisters on my feet from running out the front door without putting shoes on). Although they didn’t have a pool, my cousin and I would go to church with my Aunt and Uncle, then we’d spend the afternoon in the yard with the hose.
3 Given for a principle with a promise, adapted to the capacity of the weak and the weakest of all saints, who are or can be called saints.
The Word of Wisdom is a test and specifically a test for the weakest of the weak. If you can’t live this one, good luck with the rest! I think that’s why some stuff seems so arbitrary about the law. No hot drinks means no Coffee or Tea… but includes cold coffee and iced tea… but excludes Hot Chocolate… or does it?
The Lord could have told Joseph that green M&Ms were forbidden and that avacado was neither for the body nor the belly… and that would have been that… some people would have chafed at it others would simply accept it and carry on.
The spirit of the Law is such that we need to understand that ANYTHING that robs us of our control over our bodies, any addiction… is contrary to this principle with a promise. If you can’t get through your day without a nice cold sprite… if *not *drinking it affects your mood… if you are not in control of that craving… you need to gain control.
You know what my favorite drink in the world is? It’s the most refreshing thing I’ve ever had. Lemon Iced-tea. I used to drink it when I was rebellious. I haven’t had one in 7 years. Everyday I pass the freezer full of them here at the College’s cafeteria. Oh I want one bad, but I’ll never give into that again.
People want reasons for why something is or isn’t on the list. Coffee and Tea… must be the caffeine! But then why not Hot Choc? It’s not about why this or why that… it’s about obeying. It’s just a test for the weakest of the weak. I don’t need any more reason than that really. Everything in moderation…
We don’t live 11 years longer on average than everyone else for nothing.
CRT rings are given when the child is 7 years old or that’s at least when my kids got theirs.
I can’t verify that but I do know that the person who runs that site tries to stay accurate. I’ll see what I can find out. It’ll keep me busy and keep me out of the controversy.
djxiii has just said what we’ve all been dancing around.
We’ve been giving you the specific doctrine/scriptual references, etc. But I guess none of use have actually come out and bluntly said what it is specificly, until now, and I want to reaffirm what djxiii has said.[list=1]
[li]It is a guideline for us to follow.[/li][li]It is specific to a degree but still leaves plenty of room for personal interpretation.[/li][li]It is intended for us to gain control over our physical desires in an area that isn’t as “serious” as say adultry.[/li][/list=1]
Personally, I can get addicted to Big Macs. We all know that Big Macs aren’t the best thing in the world for us, but if I’m addicted to them is the real problem Big Macs or is it my lack of self control? I think it’s the lack of self control.
My wife is LDS and has her temple reccomend. I am not LDS. Her tithing comes soley from her income, which I am fine with. Once she quits her job to raise our family (her choice), she will no longer be paying tithing. Will she lose her temple reccomend?
My wife is LDS and has her temple reccomend. I am not LDS. Her tithing comes solely from her income, which I am fine with. Once she quits her job to raise our family (her choice), she will no longer be paying tithing. Will she lose her temple reccomend?
No. She can’t pay tithing on income she doesn’t have. 10% of nothing is still nothing.
Tithing is not about the money, but about willingness to keep the commandment. In other words, if she says, “I don’t have any income, but if I did I would be paying tithing on it,” she is considered a tithepayer. OTOH, if she took the attitude, “I don’t have income, but even if I did I wouldn’t pay tithing,” then she is not a tithepayer.
Worthiness to attend the temple is a private matter between the individual and the Bishop who interviews her (and of course, the Lord).
The funny thing about CTR rings is that I have friends who want them because in their minds it the letters stand for Christ The Redeemer. Not such a terrible idea.
A Utah missionary I worked with on my mission jokingly said it stood for “Corrupt the Righteous” and we even went so far as to say “Chicks that Roll”. :rolleyes:
Luckily, neither of those stuck and when I see the ring I still think Choose The Right. I don’t have one though… my only ring is a Joseph Smith’s Eternal Nature of Man replica.
No, Zev, it’s not the same. You know it isn’t. For one thing, you can “just say no” ;). But more important, you don’t believe the Mormon baptism is valid. Your people are already dead, and wherever your faith put them. Unless you believe the LDS folks can just snatch them away.
Are you sure about that? This is probably one of those things that is subject to personal interpretation, but I’ve always been under the impression that when you are married, whether the income if made by the wife or husband, it’s still considered “increase” and subject to tithing.
Therefore, if one spouse is not a member and the other is would not be a factor in wether she would need to pay tithing on your joint income to remain temple worthy.
Seems to me, there might not be an answer that would fit everyone, but rather this is one of those situations that would be taken on a “case by case” basis and the answer would have to come from her bishop.
Can anyone shed more light on this question for me please.
It would make no sense to predicate the wife’s recommend on whether her husband was willing to pay tithing on his income, especially if he wasn’t even LDS.
This seems, however, to be one of those things like pre-tax/post-tax income–up to the couple involved. A bishop doesn’t quiz you on your income, he only asks whether you are a full tithe payer or not.
You have no idea (well probably you do) how badly I am about to jump out of my skin waiting to find out. I go to my bishop in June to see how much money I have (which will be every penny I’ve earned except for tithing) then I’ll put my papers in. It’s driving me nuts waiting.
I actually believe that, which is sad because my mom and I converted because she found such great acceptance in the LDS church. She’s a single parent who was never married, and was always looked down upon until she joined the church. Of course, every ward is different and in some cases the same old story happened, but in others the people and bishop were the most uplifting and understanding souls. My ward in in Colorado is a lot like that.
CTR rings typically mean choose the right, but you’ll come across other sayings that members use such as “covenents to remember,” or “Christ the redeemer.” Typically it means choose the right, but I don’t think one would be incorrect in saying “covenents to remember,” either. Another thing which is only to address a possible misinterpretation in that CTR rings aren’t ritualistic or ceremonial, just something people wear to remind them of Christ and to follow His teachings. I didn’t get my first CTR ring until my 19th birthday, and has something I would take on my mission.
I hope this can address a little of what Kathy said, but from what my understanding of tithing, it is giving back to God what is already his. I sacrifice 1/10 of what I earn, (gross before taxes) and what I can give in that I give 1/10 of my time for the church to help members move, community service, etc. There is a scriptural reference (sorry it’s late and I don’t have a direct quote) says to the extent, will a man rob God? It refers directly to tithe and that paying the 1/10 of what you earn, make (some members pay in chickens and cows, still) and the time you have is simply giving back to God what is already his. In any case, it is something that someone takes up with God or their bishop, and IMHO, if your wife lived off your salary, then she would have to take 1/10 of what she got from you back to God.
Another little side note from my personal experiences, and that is even a lot of Mormons think Utah is a weird place. I lived there for a year and then went back for school for another year. It’s weird because a lot of LDS there view the religion has a culture and simple name to describe themselves. They don’t take the practices or beliefs seriously and they don’t live the teachings of the gospel. No one is perfect, but a lot of LDS in Utah stick out like sore thumbs, and especially since they pretend to be good living LDS. Maybe everyplace has them, but in Utah they DO stick out.
Well, that would be the logical explanation, except there really was a dramatic reaction to what I said. It wasn’t just “okay, see ya later” and meandering off, they both got wide-eyed, and sort of looked at each other, and quickly went over to a group of other people with nametags and started whispering. That’s the reason I always felt as though we had done something wrong or violated something.
When I was 16, a new family moved next store to us who were Mormon. The husband travelled extensively, while his wife and I would talk all the time (she was a Babe…!). We really were just friends that summer, but one day I got up to ask her about the polygamy thing.
I said “Kathy, (not her real name) is it true that the men used to take more than one wife…or is that just an old wives tale?” She blushed a little, then looked me straight in the eye and said “You know, I don’t think that one man could really handle two women. On the other hand, two men could handle one woman and it would work out just about right.”
I blushed and made an excuse to leave, but for the rest of that summer, she kept trying to invite me up to the third floor of her house, where she’d just totally re-did the guest bedroom.
Q: Is there any chance that she was trying to Seduce me?
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