Ask the Person on Food Stamps

Let me just confirm that, indeed, although Succes20 and I are in the same state things ARE much different in my county. Among other things, we were told that our work hours count towards our “job hunt” total, so if you are required to give IMPACT 30 hours then 20 hours working and 10 job searching are acceptable. We do have one-on-one meetings with our caseworkers, both at IMPACT and at FSSA (Family and Social Services Administration). They do accept part time and temp jobs. They even allowed my self-employment - granted, I was required to document it, but they did accept it once we agreed on required documentation and someone who had hired me was willing to confirm my work as actual work. In addition, we are allowed to turn in our hours on Friday afternoon if we can’t make the Monday morning “by noon” deadline due to employment requirements. They also allowed me to use my own phone and computer for job hunting (with documentation, of course, and they do follow up on these things). Then again, I live in one of Indiana’s largest cities, that fact alone increases the chances of getting SOME job - the small towns are MUCH worse off.

Still, it’s obvious that the requirements, even in my county, are quite strict. At least my local IMPACT office also conducts seminars in how to set up your own business and document it to their satisfaction. At least when you can’t find employment with someone else there is the chance of making your own job. Though that is also very difficult.

I’m going to confess something here. That recent thread that you mention is the very reason why I have an EBT card now. See, a couple of years ago, I was in high cotton. Due to things like this jacked up economy and the perfect shitstorm it created, my income is way, way below the poverty line. It never occurred to my husband or me that we could qualify for such a benefit…until that thread.

Whenever I use my EBT card, I think of the asshole in that thread, and I laugh and laugh.

Here is the thing - maybe this county doesn’t have the resources to train us or have meetings or one on one - but shouldn’t we have the same rules at least in the job search?

Hey maybe I would like to learn about setting up a business or to take some free computer training and use that toward my hours of job searching.

My goodness I can imagine there were people at that meeting who can’t even turn on a computer and need training more than me.

I also wondered about turning in documents on Friday or in the drop box over the weekend.

I have the feeling we were all given misinformation and nothing was in writing so we have no way to prove it either.

And if you want to call a caseworker - you have to sit at home and wait for a call back - and you can’t do that cause you have to be out looking for work.

I think I might need to send an anonymous letter or something to the state about this situation - because something just isn’t right about all of these differences between counties.

I imagine the card costs less than paper.

Everyone knows what it looks like anyway in my county - some of the cashiers or people in line act weird about it.

You have to have a thick skin - I am working parttime and getting unemployment - and I already have an education so I can’t get government money for schoo

If the state goes broke the caseworkers might be working parttime and filing for unemployment and snap benefits too.

[hijack]No, you spelled it correctly the first time.[/hijack]

I cannot understand why the different offices in my county cannot seem to get on the same page and communicate with each other about the services they provide and allow us to actually look for work under the guidelines they state for us to follow.

Each person says a different thing - and they all seem to want to do battle with each client who comes in to do what they are supposed to do!

Today I was again at the Indiana employment office - one of the few places open today since it is President’s day. I went to type up resumes for 2 different types of job interviews I have this week.

Now I do not have a home printer and even if I did - I would still have to be out there 20 hours a week actively searching. I have applied for so many jobs I have lost count - and I have to fight with the employment office to do so.

My only county library has ancient computers and one barely functional printer - and was closed today - and farther from my home in addition.

The employment office has rooms filled with computers and some very hostile and sometimes not too bright employees. I try to just do what I have to do - I am not a confrontational person. I WANT a job - I HAVE an education - I AM NOT lazy, stupid or an alcoholic or drug addict. I just want to do what the state requires me to do and look for work - so that I can collect my partial unemployment, work parttime and collect the Snap benefits. I am actually looking for work far in excess of the 20 hours a week required of me. I seem to know more about how to apply for a job, use a computer and printer, write a resume - than the people at the employment office!

I did the census test!

I did tons of job applications - online and in person - everywhere!

But when I go into the employment office to use the free services I am told to use and have to do battle with state employees who think I should not be writing and typing resumes and cover letters on their computers to print out - I want to scream!

So now I have to go to the library and try to do the same thing - using gas and money for printing instead of using the free services (and they had rooms filled with computers no one was using at the employment office!)

And if I could look for work at home - which we cannot do they say - I could use the gas money and printing money instead to buy a printer for home use.

I didn’t even ask anyone for help with my resumes at the employment office - because none of them even knows what they are doing anyway for pities sake.

I did have to ask one time last week if they could put paper in a printer - which since they are all standing around talking anyway - they should have done - but I just politely said - the printer is out of paper.

I have repeatly told the employment office that snap will not allow us to do anything but job searching and resume writing - not apply for educational programs - which I do not qualify for since I have tons of education anyway.

It also is quite amusing to see jobs posted at the snap office that were filled a year ago - and they stand there and tell clients to apply for it - when I KNOW the job doesn’t exist. Snap also is sending people to apply for jobs that people do not qualify for in anyway - if a job is posted wanting a registered nurse - do not send someone to apply for it - who is not a registered nurse - it just makes those offices angry that they have to deal with people applying who do not have the required education or job skills.

I CANNOT figure out if the government offices are playing games to get rid of people/clients or if they just are unaware of the facts - even if a person tells them that they don’t have a degree in nursing and they can’t apply for the job - they get sent to it anyway.
One thing I have learned being at the employment office is - NOTHING is confidential - everyone’s business in this town is right out there - out loud for everyone to hear - I have heard of people who are being denied unemployment and are appealing - others have been collecting for 3 years and don’t really look for work at all. There are people who know how to play the system and people who don’t.

I would much rather be working full time than dealing with all this chaos.

Just wanted to wish you luck. I haven’t been on ebt but I know what it is like to live on a budget and have supported a family of four on my husband’s unemployment and my part time work. (we are in Michigan so I also know the worry of living where the jobs are hard to find). Thankfully things are better for us now and I hope they will be soon for you.

Very true! I was once behind someone in line (this was nearly 30 years back) who used her food stamps to purchase a can of something (some sort of veggies) and the change went toward the purchase price of a bottle of Wild Irish Rose “wine”. I didn’t say anything, but I remember thinking that was, well, hideously inappropriate.

Broomstick, and others who’ve chimed in, this is an extremely educational thread. Thanks for starting it!

OOPS, I thought it was the John b. Sebastian video.

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Today after spending more than the required hours looking for work in the self suffiency plan - I got a letter saying I am in noncompliance - I spent 8 hours job searching today and worked 5 hours and did a commute - come home and have a letter saying be in their office or else. I work tomorrow - I am supposed to job search tomorrow. I was just in their office on Monday and have another office visit next week scheduled. I am spending a lot of money on transportation for all of this. I am beginning to wonder if it is worth it at this point. They are so rude and incompetent towards clients. Documents are lost constantly. If you ask a question they are so hostile. My current employer is fed up with their phone calls. Why does it have to be run this way?

Do you get enough to eat 3 meals a day? You are also eligible to go to your local food pantry once a month and in my area they give you a lot of food.

Have you applied for Medicaid insurance and Fuel Assistance- (Gas, electric, oil). I think you go to CAP for that. Even though the heating season is over you can get a percentage off your eclectic and gas bill. I think the cut off for Medicaid is 800 a month. Not sure? I know it’s a lot of paperwork but every little bit helps.

Good Luck and hope you find a job soon.

That’s your particular office. I have had two places to deal with and the case workers were great. I’m sorry to hear your having problems. Every state handles implementation of the programs differently, so maybe it’s a state wide suckiness.

I just had it out with a store chain that was not complying with the food program. This is the second store in my town that was screwing the people in this program over the tax. That’s how the registers ring it up. We can’t do anything about it doesn’t fly with me. In both cases I heard on television within a couple days how the places were cited for overcharging customers on prices, which is another issue, but related to my issue with them.

I’m sure the response I was told was the same one they gave other people that complained the price rung up wasn’t what the shelf was marked. We have a specific law on the books stating the lower price will be given when there is a conflict. My issue was they were charging tax, which is not correct. In both cases when the places researched and admitted they were wrong all I ever got was a rude we’ll fix it. It really makes me wonder why I try to be nice and not report them to the state instead of giving them a chance to fix it without the state being told.

Other than lost documents (I have learned to always get a receipt certifying what papers I have dropped off), your experience is completely different than mine. The initial intake process was hell, and the intake officer was an evil toad. But after that, everybody I’ve dealt with has been extremely kind and helpful.

They refuse to give us time stamped documents - say they are too busy and understaffed. I was just there Monday and got told this again. Are you in the self suffiency plan yet? That is where they will really start the enforcement. You must be working 30 or more hours a week and be getting benefits - or they will make you do this in most cases. I do want a job and do more than 20 hours of job search. A lot of it depends on your state and county too.

Yes I got heating assistance and reported it and got yelled at for making their lives difficult to have to fax that.

I don’t qualify for medicaid yet.

I’m sorry you are being yelled at for utilizing the programs in place for you. You may want to start saving all your receipts so that way when you are eligible you have proof of payment. Just get a big box or something and throw all your receipts in it and paid bills.

Some people are eligible for Medicaid with a ‘spend down’. A lot of the elderly do this. They show everything paid out and it is deducted from their monthly income. Then the state kicks in to pay their portion. They get Medicaid on a month to month basis. Again a lot of paperwork initially but it is free health care and 1 dollar scripts!

It is fssa that yelled - they don’t like me bringing in documents - but when you don’t you get accused of something too.

There is no communication between these offices - each is doing something different.

The meeting today with the snap office (food stamps only) was awful - I am far exceeding what they tell me to do - but they still are saying I am not doing enough.

Unless I am working 30 hours a week plus benefits - I must job search 20 hours a week - so if you are working 29 hours - you still have to look for work 20 hours a week - they want onsite searches - and you know most places want applications online now - at least first - it makes no sense - but that is what they require.

No resumes allowed.

No temp work (this includes the Census).

No parttime jobs.

I don’t know if this is the way it is done everywhere or just my county.

Keep in mind I receive Snap only - not Tanf - I know people who get both who don’t have to do anything at all for job searching.

Basically they just want to kick me out of the program - it reduces their caseload of course.

Gives them more time to stand around and do nothing I quess.

My thinking is this - if it wasn’t for people like me - then they wouldn’t have the job they do - do social service people realize they need us for them to have these jobs?

The more hoops I jump through - the more hoops they create.

The rules are not the same for everyone either - the caseworker gets to decide themselves - so this leads to favoritism - it’s real easy to allow their family and people they know to have different rules.

I read a study that there are far more people eligible for Snap then apply or receive them - given how the program works - I can understand why.

I am trying to decide if I can continue jumping through the hoops of this program.

Each person gives different information.

They lose our documents.

They fail to call us at the times they set up - they make the times - then do not call.

They say they mail documents - clients don’t receive them.
Clients call (me or someone else) and they cannot find our files - have us listed in the wrong programs or whatever.

The office staff refuses to date stamp documents.

The office staff loses documents.

The employment office lost my records - but it was all online - so I have nothing to show what I have done there - they refuse to provide paper documents.
You cannot count hours you are working as job search hours.

You cannot count the unemployment you are receiving as job search hours.

You cannot take classes of any kind for job training hours (though there are plenty of clients who can do that).

The rules are endless and ever changing based on the whims of the caseworker that day.

I am working 20 hours a week - job searching 20 hours a week (caseworker wants to increase that) - caseworker states that there are jobs everywhere. Parttime employment does not count in job searching - nor do temp jobs (such as the Census jobs - even though they have those posted on their own job boards).

No place I have been job searching is hiring - in my whole area within a 100 mile radius - instead they are laying people off.

I got a letter of noncompliance - even though I job searched more than the required 20 hours a week.

At this point I would say it isn’t worth the hassle.

If I get called for Census training and accept I immediately get cut off the program - but if you refuse a job you get cut off anyway.

I think the government should just complete disband the program - if this is the way it operates - then it needs to stop.

Keep in mind I know people in their 20s who are on it and not working at all - but are not going through the hassles I am.

Something is wrong with the system in my county.

Hindsight being 20/20 - I would go back in time and never apply at all.

Now I am wondering - if this is the way the system works - then why all the caseworkers? Why all the money for the system?

I thought I paid taxes my whole life so that when the crisis hit - I could get back some of what I paid in - I will never look at the programs the same way again.

I am grateful the program exists - but it just isn’t working the way it should at all!

I realize the majority of people getting money on this program are children, the elderly and perhaps the disabled - and they deserve it too - but something in this program needs to change.

I have been on this program less than a year - never had this experience before.

As Americans we need to speak out about changes in the program.

Look, I don’t know what the problem is down where you are, but I am in the same state and I’ve been on the same program and it wasn’t like you describe.

There is a formal process for complaints of unfair treatment. Use it.

But I am not convinced that the program is broken - for some reason it’s not working for you, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t working elsewhere.

Since everything is verbal on their side - how do I prove what they are saying?
We have to document in paper - they do not.
In addition the reapplication site for yearly renewal does not work - I asked for a paper copy in the office - they said go online - the online is only for first timers - not renewals - see the circles I go in? The document they sent me has this link www.in.gov/fssa/6175.htm - doesn’t work - so I googled the Indiana application site - it takes you to the first timers page - they told me I need a different document for reapplication - but it doesn’t work. If I use the one online - it will look like I am a first time applicant - and they will restart me on the program.

Why not just mail me the reapplication - with the other forms they mailed me?

Maybe it is because you live so near Chicago - but the rest of Indiana is having massive problems. My county in particular seems to get tons of complaints. Then again maybe they just haven’t alerted you of new changes - here they said they may be increasing the hours of job search - and said no one is to get credit for hours worked or unemployment.

How can there be different rules in different parts of the state or even in different states?

Seems like everyone should be treated just the same.

I will get my documents together to file an appeal - show my work hours, my unemployment compensation, ask why I can’t do temp jobs or do job training at the employment office - which now they lost my computer file too of all my information and test scores. And they won’t provide any paper documents on that either.

I get no cash assistance (tanf) - just the snap card for food.